[kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism

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 I have a very intense family history to forget horrors of wars.? Maybe one day we'll meet, and talk in person...




 

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What I was trying to point out was that people have always 
complained about people 'not caring this days'.? 


It's nothing new - just the way of things.


History always gets forgotten.? Even ours will, with such 
good media coverage.? It's not worth getting sad about.


?


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Jo, my grandfather fought both 
  WWs as well (WW2 ad a partisan).
I concur, but history is being forgotten 
  at a very fast rate. Mussolini is being re-evaluated by many. This is sad. 
  


  



  


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lol I can remember that being one of my late Grandad's 
  (fought in both WWs) slogan: 'You young 'uns, you just don't care 
  anymore'.

  
I think most people do care but time marches on and?as 
  events begin to move out of living memory,?you can't expect them to be on 
  the forefront of everyone's minds. Particularly when there's new scraps and 
  current life to think about.

  
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Unless they have part of 
    their family deported to and killed in a concentration camp or were in 
    misery during WW2...but people don't care anymore, they don't care even 
    about what might have happened two days before. Sad. My family can't forget. 
    And I can't, nor ever will.



    



    


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    Autism


    

    

      

      

        

          
So I should sympathize with people who don't know Nazi jokes 
          aren't funny? Sorry, but nobody is that stupid. Every Bernard Manning 
          knows precisely why his jokes aren't funny and why most people choose 
          not to tell them. They simply decide?they don't care and tell 
          them anyway. So it's their choice and they must take the consequences. 
          They're no more handicapped than I am, and like me, they're 
          responsible for their actions.

          
?

          
Jim.

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk> 
          wrote:


          

From: 
            jo <jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk>
Subject: 
            Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
To: "A list about all things 
            Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: 
            Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 4:04 PM


            

            
Then you? in turn, are?taking the? 
            mick out of someone who is socially crippled.

            
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Sorry if this is irrelevant, I haven't followed the 
                    entire thread, so apologies in advance.


                    
Humour involving real problems or disabilities is not 
                    necessarily the same thing as humour at the expense of real 
                    problems or disabilities. I mean, look at The Office- if 
                    David Brent says something howlingly inappropriate about 
                    women/blacks/homosexuals etc etc, is it funny because he's 
                    managed to work them into a joke, or because he's such a 
                    colossal wanker that he doesn't see why he shouldn't say 
                    that? It's the latter. It's not funny because of the subject 
                    matter. The Office takes the piss out of people who tell 
                    jokes about people with disabilities, thinking they're 
                    actually funny. We know they're not, so we can laugh at the 
                    idiots who think they are.

                    
?

                    
My stepfather used to come home and?tell me all 
                    the latest?jokes he'd heard?about the Holocaust or 
                    women or foreigners. I don't think he ever understood (well, 
                    maybe at the end) that I wasn't laughing at his jokes, I was 
                    laughing at the sad git who thought they were funny. I have 
                    plenty of reasons to dislike jokes about autism, but I'm all 
                    in favour of making the people who tell them look like 
                    idiots.

                    
?

                    
Jim.

                    

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                    wrote:


                    

From: 
                      Paul Wady <paulwady at hotmail.com>
Subject: 
                      Re: [kj] (Very OT) Bruno - Autism
To: "Gatherers 
                      Killing Joke Gatherers" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: 
                      Saturday, 11 July, 2009, 3:42 PM


                      

                      
                      EH! ?WHAT? ?Who woke me up? ?Oh, the A word 
                      got used. ?Ah... 
                      



                      
Still ain't seen any connection between Mr. B.C, his 
                      Gay friend and Autism. ?Excepting his first cousin - 
                      a fine fellow, and a keen bass guitarist too. ?

                      



                      
I think being able to make fun of yourself is a good 
                      sign. ?I've spent mucho time getting laughed at for 
                      the wrong reasons - was trying not to be disabled. 
                      ?Hence my 'outness'. ?Sometimes, you gotta fall 
                      flat on that face. ?Just natural. ?Then the 
                      world will laugh at you.

                      



                      
More serious we want to get taken the harder they 
                      judge you? ?Mind you, I spend my life trying to help 
                      people since I was a small child, not knocking anyone's 
                      disabilities. ?Bit odd that, but I kinda always knew 
                      I wasn't some sort of superman.

                      



                      
Jo - Take the piss out of a counselling session? 
                      ?I call my sessions 'conversations on the Gatherers 
                      list'.



                      
Oh God....

                      



                      
I feel fat too. ?Oh Dear God...

                      


                      From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk
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                      gathering at misera.net
Date: 
                      Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:08:22 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] (Very 
                      OT) Bruno - Autism


                      
I think you are.? 

                      
In a way 'suffering' from something sort 
                      of makes you bit?more entitled to laugh about 
                      it.? I'd rather take the piss out of something than 
                      go for a councelling session.? Much less gloomy and 
                      more positive IMO.

                      
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Can I test the waters? I put on some weight a 
                        while back when I couldn't go to the gym for a couple 
                        years...perhaps 30 pounds or so. I noticed one day as I 
                        was sitting down, leaning slightly to one side, I felt a 
                        *plop* as a little roll of fat was birthed into 
                        existence around my floating ribs...as a tall skinny 
                        type and gym freak for most of my life it was one of the 
                        most disgusting, yet funny, experiences I've ever had. 
                        Relating it to other people has been quite funny...does 
                        that make me bad for making fun of fat people? Can I no 
                        longer do it after losing the 
                        weight...?


                        

                        


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Not on my 
                        watch if physical and mental disabilities are made fun 
                        of. My apologies.


                        



                        


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                        Bruno - Autism


                        

                        

                        
Not that I've seen any of the said 
                        films?(saw Ali G on Richard and Judy once) but I'm 
                        with you on that.

                        
If you're brave or daft enough to 
                        crack a joke in the wrong place at the wrong time you'll 
                        suffer; but you have the right to do it.

                        

                          

I 
                          can't stand the idea of certain topics being taboo, 
                          where humour is concerned. Fuck that. Either it's all 
                          okay or none of it is okay. 

Leigh


                          





                        

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