[kj] kj] [OT]Orson Welles, Kubrick
Marcel
spooman at freenet.de
Fri Feb 20 07:41:17 EST 2009
Also "Mr. Arkadin" or "Confidential Report" as it is sometimes called
and "Touch Of Evil" are good examples of Welles' qualities!
cheers, Marcel from GER
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> 1. Re: [OT] Queen-bashing...PAH! (Karen Weil)
> 2. Re: [OT] Magazine (Bette Dillinger)
> 3. Re: [OT] Queen-bashing...PAH! (Karen Weil)
> 4. Re: [OT]Orson Welles, Kubrick (Bette Dillinger)
> 5. Re: (OT) NIN (Bette Dillinger)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:51:05 -0800
>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>
>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Queen-bashing...PAH!
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"
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>Where's "Tie Your Mother Down," "Dragon Attack," dude?
>(love those, too!)
>
>Cheers,
>
>k.w.
>(fellow Queen fan whose first album was "The Game")
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alexander Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
><gathering at misera.net>
>Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Queen-bashing...PAH!
>
>
> >
> > Alex in NYC's Favorite Queen Tunes of All Time.
> >
> > 1. "The Prophet's Song"
> > 2. "Sheer Heart Attack"
> > 3. "Fight From the Inside"
> > 4. "Dragon Attack"
> > 5. "Death on Two Legs"
> > 6. "Now I'm Here"
> > 7. "We Will Rock You"
> > 8. "`39"
> > 9. "Liar"
> > 10. "I'm in Love with My Car"
> >
> > Screw the haters.
> >
> > Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> > On Feb 19, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Karen Weil wrote:
> >
> >> " ... he'll save everyone of us!" ; )
> >>
> >> k.w.
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren A. Peace" <dpeace at bigfoot.com
> >> >
> >> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
> >> <gathering at misera.net
> >> >
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:59 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Magazine and movies
> >>
> >>
> >>> I think that there is an even greater secret cabal of Queen fans here.
> >>> Most
> >>> discomfiting.
> >>>
> >>> Flash. Aah aah.
> >>>
> >>> Darren
> >>> Hungerford, UK
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> >>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net ] On
> >>> Behalf Of Brendan
> >>> Sent: 19 February 2009 11:10
> >>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> >>> Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Magazine and movies
> >>>
> >>> Even as a Queen fan I thought the Queen soundtrack to Metropolis was a
> >>> bit
> >>> incongruous. Imagine if they'd had Killing Joke do it...Labyrinth would
> >>> have ruled. If I had any chops with video editing I'd do it myself.
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:52:43 -0500
>From: Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com>
>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Magazine
>To: <gathering at misera.net>
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>You fight picker! Hey, Alex, honestly, I would have to see it again
>and do some homework on it. I just remember both myself and the
>person I was with turned it off. Also, I think the fact that it was
>Roman Polanski, and he is such a great director was the biggest
>factor. It just didn't seem to be his style. But now you make me
>wanna give it a try again. I have sat through "Ishtar" without
>turning it off...maybe I can get through it this time.
>
>
>
>From: vassifer at earthlink.net
>To: gathering at misera.net
>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:47:52 -0500
>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Magazine
>
>
>
>
>Are you serious? I loved "Frantic" -- was was your problem with it?
>Not picking a fight, I'm just curious.
>
>
>Alex in NYC
>
>
>
>
>
>On Feb 19, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Bette Dillinger wrote:
>
>I actually did not finish watching "Frantic", I just was
>annoyed. His future wife (Polanski's), really beautiful French
>woman, was in it, but I just couldn't stand it.
>
>I would think with that Oscar for Best Director (with accompanied
>standing ovation for "The Pianist"...I think he got it that
>year?????) he's back in business very nicely. However, I feel he
>should be in a bizarre reality show: a real life version of "No
>Exit" with Denis Leary. Whose with this amazing populist idea? ;)
>
>
>
>From: karen.weil at sddt.com
>To: dpeace at suspiria.demon.co.uk; gathering at misera.net
>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:19:21 -0800
>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Magazine
>
>
>Also, I think "Frantic" (from '88) is underrated. Really like that movie.
>As for Polanski's scandalous past, that might be resolved in the
>near future. (Given how Woody Allen still continues to work in
>spite of his really wretched personal decision to have an affair
>with his step-daughter, nothing is impossible).
>
>k.w.
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Darren A. Peace
>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
>Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Magazine
>
>
>
>Apart from ?Pirates?, ?What?? and that awful ?Oliver Twist? he did recently.
>
>My favourite Polanski is ?The Tenant?, and I?m also a huge fan of
>?Repulsion?, ?Chinatown?, ?Tess?, ?Knife In The Water?, ?Frantic?,
>?Bitter Moon?, ?Rosemary?s Baby? (in fact, when I was last in NY, I
>skulked around the Dakota building like a weirdo, amidst all the
>glum Lennon devotees, who were disappointed that I was looking for
>?Rosemary?s Baby? camera angles rather than forlornly looking for
>bloodstains on the ? erm ? sidewalk). I also like ?The Pianist?, and
>the daft Devil book one with that Depp fellow. Oh, and ?The Fearless
>Vampire Killers?. And even ?Cul de Sac?. Donald Pleasence in drag?
>Count me in. His ?Macbeth? is great too, as is ?Death & The Maiden?.
>
>He?s a great film-maker, whose unfortunate tendency to molest
>under-age girls in Jack Nicholson?s Jacuzzi rather spoils things.
>
>Darren
>Hungerford, UK
>
>
>
>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of melinda grant
>Sent: 17 February 2009 19:47
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>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Magazine
>
>hi karen ;) happy viewing any polanski movie your mind will be truly
>stimulated ;D
>
>milindafgrant
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>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:01:04 -0800
>From: "Karen Weil" <karen.weil at sddt.com>
>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Queen-bashing...PAH!
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>Ooops -- I see you already had "Dragon," at No. 4. My inattention!
>
>k.w.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alexander Smith" <vassifer at earthlink.net>
>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
><gathering at misera.net>
>Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Queen-bashing...PAH!
>
>
> >
> > Alex in NYC's Favorite Queen Tunes of All Time.
> >
> > 1. "The Prophet's Song"
> > 2. "Sheer Heart Attack"
> > 3. "Fight From the Inside"
> > 4. "Dragon Attack"
> > 5. "Death on Two Legs"
> > 6. "Now I'm Here"
> > 7. "We Will Rock You"
> > 8. "`39"
> > 9. "Liar"
> > 10. "I'm in Love with My Car"
> >
> > Screw the haters.
> >
> > Alex in NYC
> >
> >
> > On Feb 19, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Karen Weil wrote:
> >
> >> " ... he'll save everyone of us!" ; )
> >>
> >> k.w.
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren A. Peace" <dpeace at bigfoot.com
> >> >
> >> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'"
> >> <gathering at misera.net
> >> >
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:59 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Magazine and movies
> >>
> >>
> >>> I think that there is an even greater secret cabal of Queen fans here.
> >>> Most
> >>> discomfiting.
> >>>
> >>> Flash. Aah aah.
> >>>
> >>> Darren
> >>> Hungerford, UK
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> >>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net ] On
> >>> Behalf Of Brendan
> >>> Sent: 19 February 2009 11:10
> >>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> >>> Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Magazine and movies
> >>>
> >>> Even as a Queen fan I thought the Queen soundtrack to Metropolis was a
> >>> bit
> >>> incongruous. Imagine if they'd had Killing Joke do it...Labyrinth would
> >>> have ruled. If I had any chops with video editing I'd do it myself.
> >>>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:03:44 -0500
>From: Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com>
>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT]Orson Welles, Kubrick
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>
>Have you seen "The Wonderful Terrible Life of Leni
>Riefenstahl"? Fascinating documentary. She is about 90 in the
>film, and has this young stud as her assistant. Her answers to the
>obvious questions she is asked are strange and therefore riveting.
>
>
>
>One of my faves of all time is Orson Welles. Has anyone seen "F is
>for Fake"? It is such a great examination of how some people are
>considered "experts" when others are "imposters". If any of you
>have seen his version of "MacBeth" or especially Kafka's "The Trial"
>I salute you.
>
>
>
>But the man with the plan over his entire lifespan is Stanley
>Kubrick. I heart Kubrick from "Killer's Kiss" to "Full Metal
>Jacket". "Eyes Wide Shut".......I read the novella, it had no
>bearing on the final outcome and I have always been cynical about that film.
>
> > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:02:55 +0100
> > From: bo.krogsgaard at gmail.com
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Magazine and movies
> >
> > When it comes to old movies, i worship Fritz Lang for his two
> > masterpieces M and Metropolis. Also Sergei Eisenstein and Friedrich
> > Murnau, and even Leni Riefenstahl.
> >
> > Alfred Hitchcock, yes please, especially Vertigo is visually
> > impressive. But i'd take an Orson Welles movie over a Hitchcock movie
> > any day, especially The Trial, which to me is how a movie can be taken
> > to perfection.
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>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:46:25 -0500
>From: Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com>
>Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) NIN
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>I read in one review that Trent Reznor is an heir to a large
>fortune. I am not saying money is happiness, but it does make a
>nice down payment. Do any of the musos floating around here know
>what he is heir to? It is something electrical (I am *so* technical
>in my descriptions, I know)........
>
> > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:37:48 +1300
> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
> > To: gathering at misera.net
> > Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Jane's Addiction at Echoplex in LA Last Night
> >
> > Gonna be 'interesting' to see how the NIN / Jane's Addiction shows pan out.
> >
> > My impressions of last night's NIN gig:
> >
> > Meh. With the emphasis on the 'eh'.
> >
> > I TRIED to like NIN. I went to all the effort of stealing Trentnor's
> > life's work, listening to it on train and plane journeys, walking in to
> > work and feeling incongruously anti-social (and anachronistic) while
> > docile passersby passed by, oblivious to the fact that I was listening to
> > something that sounded like a hardcore remake of the Metropolis soundtrack
> > (1994 Crack Remix).
> >
> > ...familiarised myself with Pretty Hate Machine (I passed on the 2/3 of
> > his album collection where he remixes his own stuff?yawn), which I had
> > never picked up before because of the awful name.
> >
> > So I was relatively familiar with NIN, at least moreso than previously,
> > when my appreciation was limited to the Quake soundtrack (sounds like Tool
> > lite) and "that song that Johnny Cash does better." And Perfect
> > Drug...which always had me scratching my head as to why it was on such
> > high rotate. (Surely these guys do better stuff than this?)
> >
> > The opening band's promo photo looked so shit I didn't even bother
> > listening to anything online to see what they were like. (This admittedly
> > renders the rest of my review useless due to extreme prejudice but
> > hey...just being honest. Don't pretend you're not the same).
> >
> > NIN - sound quality was mildly mucky, not awful, and probably not their
> > fault. Smallish crowd for the venue (half to two thirds of the ~10 000
> > seat venue filled). Good light show, basic but good impact. Overall...some
> > pretty solid material. A fair bit of it sounds samey to me, and I really
> > wouldn?t rate them up there with their 90s contemporaries (Soundgarden,
> > Tool, Rage Against the Machine, Ministry) for impact, depth, breadth, or
> > range. Anyway, a *relatively* solid gig, but a few things gave away that
> > it was a phone-in, in a disappointing way. Practically no acknowledgement
> > of the crowd, no encore, and ?this is probably going to be our last show
> > in New Zealand" quoth Trentnor half-way through, in one of the perhaps two
> > times he deigned to address the audience. Seemed to fuck half the audience
> > off, and rightly so. That was it, not "hey this might be the last time I
> > play here so let's rip shit up." More like..."this is probably the last
> > time I'm gonna fuck you up the ass, not sure if I can come, anyway, just
> > thought I'd share...FYI. Now breathe out and clench."
> >
> > Yeah no worries, thanks for the newsflash, it's certainly gonna be the
> > last time you get any money from me (I bought 2 tix), and a lot of others
> > in the crowd like me who have seen better, more considerate bands try to
> > disguise a phone-in, or dredge up enough energy from the crowd to find
> > some reason to enjoy being there.
> >
> > No encore despite most of the crowd giving it heaps for 10 mins, futiley
> > as the stage was dismantled immediately the black-clad phoners in left.
> >
> > That was the more objective impression. This is what part of me really
> > thinks:
> >
> > Go home and polish your Grammys and play Hurt to yourself on your synth
> > you never-really-has-been. There's a reason I wasn't into NIN and I'm glad
> > I had my suspicions confirmed. 80% of their songs sound the same. Sub par
> > lyrics, predictable anthems for 14-year old sexually ambivalent teens to
> > half-heartedly self-harm to in the privacy of their bedrooms in between
> > Evanescence CDs.
> >
> > Note to self: Don't ever bend over backwards trying to like something you
> > don't.
> >
> > > Jane's Addiction, reunited with original bass player Eric Avery has been
> > > doing a few low key warm-up bar and club shows in LA the past few months
> > > before they go out on tour with Nine Inch Nails in late Spring. I caught
> > > last night's show at the Echoplex club which was their third appearance
> > > together since all four members began working together again.
> > >
> > > It turned out to be an excellent if short show, mostly better than the
> > > tiny
> > > El Cid bar show #2 which I caught last December. Only things I think El
> > > Cid
> > > was marginally better was being a tiny club, much more intense
> energy from
> > > the crowd that show. I think Perry sounded better there as well.
> > >
> > > It had been raining really hard much of the day in Southern
> California and
> > > I
> > > was really on the fence about going or not right up to about 6pm. I went
> > > for it and got to the Echoplex (in Echo Park) around 8:15 and a huge line
> > > of 200 - 300 people was winding along the building and it quickly because
> > > obvious some people didn't have or even know about the RSVP thing. Light
> > > rain had just stopped and it was cool but at least dry. The line started
> > > moving as they left small groups of about 10 - 15 people in at a time to
> > > get
> > > their ID checked for a wristband, then get their ID checked
> against a list
> > > at the door from the website registration rsvps. Saw a couple people
> > > turned
> > > away in front of me but later saw them inside so its possible they had
> > > enough room for people who basically walked up to see the show after the
> > > majority of RSVP'ers got in. Considering my own feelings this method of
> > > getting people in the show could have turned into a real mess, it seems
> > > like
> > > it turned out to be well run with few problems.
> > >
> > > My first time at Echoplex. Kind of a weird room, the mixing desk kinda
> > > bisects the club in half so if your in the back, you gotta stand on some
> > > boxes to get a decent view. Pretty laid back, almost too mellow of a
> > > crowd
> > > especially for the opening band "Dot," which was kind of a more ambient,
> > > dissonant noise version of Secret Machines. Band shows some promise, but
> > > the singer was hardly audible, partly because he rarely projected himself
> > > but moreso because the vocals were mixed way too far down (same for Perry
> > > during Jane's set). They got a decent response from the crowd, more
> > > respect
> > > than actual adoration. Frankly, I thought they were boring.
> > >
> > > There was a long wait, made somewhat manageable by the selections whoever
> > > was DJ'ing played a good amount of Killing Joke ("Change"), Bauhaus,
> > > Cramps
> > > ("New Kind Of Kick" got a huge response), Bowie and a few other favs on
> > > the
> > > PA.
> > >
> > > About 11:15, Jane's strolled on the stage and ground into Up The Beach. I
> > > think it was played half a step down and a bit slower. Eric had more room
> > > to
> > > prowl and stomp tonight so he'd either be doing his tribal stomp to songs
> > > like Mountain Song or Ocean Size or locked into his zone often staring up
> > > at
> > > the ceiling playing Pigs in Zen. Tonight, Dave was more on the mark most
> > > of
> > > the show that the 2nd show, Perkins was simply 100% a precision human
> > > piledriver. The man is simply an incredible drummer. Perry unfortunately
> > > I
> > > have to say was the weak link. Not a lot of power in his voice, didn't
> > > really make a lot of use of his little echo toolbox and took a lot longer
> > > than the rest of the band to loosen up as the set progressed. I will say
> > > when they got to Been Caught Stealing, he was up with the rest
> of the band
> > > and loosened up enough to bullshit and introduce most of the remaining
> > > songs.
> > >
> > > I do think in a lot of ways this reunion, especially how Perry carries
> > > himself these days reminds me of the recent David Lee Roth/Van Halen
> > > reunion
> > > in the way both frontmen have dropped the more manic, physical aspect of
> > > their stage persona due to age and are more like Vegas car dealers doing
> > > their shtick for the rubes. At times, Perry was genuinely funny but when
> > > he
> > > used forced, awkward analogies to introduce each of the last
> few songs, it
> > > got hackneyed.
> > >
> > > Most of the songs from a performance standpoint sounded excellent.
> > > Mountain
> > > Song is played by Dave a bit differently now, a bit more RAWK! like
> > > someone
> > > like Billy Duffy would play the tune. The band was very tight with one
> > > major
> > > exception. The only song I thought kinda missed the mark was
> the one I was
> > > most excited to hear, Ted, which lacked an "edge" it's had in
> the past and
> > > never really got out of third gear and came close to falling apart the
> > > last
> > > couple minutes as the band kind of careened a bit out of time with each
> > > other.
> > >
> > > But I'll tell you what, "Stop" was fucking perfect. Clearly the best
> > > performed song of the set and got great audience participation. "Had a
> > > Dad"
> > > and "Ocean Size" ended the 2 song encore and the short barely hour long
> > > set
> > > was done.
> > >
> > >>From a crowd standpoint, the asshole factor was low but there were a few
> > > lobcocks who'd careen around like big, sweaty, smelly dreidels. One
> > > grinning drunk slob who looked like Seth Rogan got hoisted up for some
> > > crowd
> > > surfing and got maybe 5 feet before being dumped on the ground
> like a sack
> > > of shit. He later wound up getting on the stage on Erics side and then
> > > flopped off the stage like a beached whale.
> > >
> > > All n' all though, a great night even if it was too short and I *really*
> > > wanted to hear "Three Days."
> > >
> > > Setlist:
> > >
> > > Up The Beach
> > > Trip Away (on the setlist but not played)
> > > Whores
> > > 1%
> > > Ain't No Right
> > > Mountain Song
> > > Been Caught Stealing
> > > Ted Just Admit It.
> > > Stop!
> > > (encore)
> > > Had a Dad
> > > Ocean Size
> > >
> > > T.B.
> > >
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