[kj] [OT]Orson Welles, Kubrick

Bette Dillinger bettedillinger at live.com
Thu Feb 19 21:16:50 EST 2009




Hey, I love to see someone come back with a "meh" because nothing and no one is pristine in their virtues. I do hear you loud and clear on "2001", though I did for the first time watch it all the way through and was impressed. The continuity from the apes to the fetus was a mark of greatness to me, but to you, not so much. What did you think of "Lolita"?



I have read your distaste for "The Shining" before, and though I really love that film, of course it has flaws. Did you watch the documentary his wife did about it (it is only about 45 minutes) which shows the amusing problems going on.....it made the finished result more understandable, especially JN's chewing of scenery.



But really, don't you think "A Clockwork Orange" is a seminal film? It gives me a pain in me gulliver to think of how many times I have watched it.


Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:56:29 +0000
From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] [OT]Orson Welles, Kubrick






Just my opinion, of course, but with the exception of 1.5 of his films (Dr Strangelove and a few moments here and there), there are few filmmakers whose work I find quite so tedious, bland and utterly overrated as Stanley Kubrick. If I live to be 103 I swear I shall never come any closer to understanding why this man is hailed as a genius. Truly bewildering.

I've tried. I really have. Every five years I hire/borrow a copy of 2001, just to see if it improves on 3rd/4th/5th etc viewing. WIthout fail I find myself bored to tears and painfully remembering why I only do this twice a decade. Periodically I'll watch The Shining, having read some critic's fawning, superlative-laden eulogy and been motivated to give it another fair crack of the whip. Barely made through the first hour this time, before turning it off in favour of some infinitely-more-effective horror film (and there are *lots*). Still, I'll keep trying, if only for the disgruntled movie fans who inevitably start sharpening the knives the moment I refuse to genuflect to St. Anley Kubrick.

Jim.

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com> wrote:

From: Bette Dillinger <bettedillinger at live.com>
Subject: Re: [kj] [OT]Orson Welles, Kubrick
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 1:03 AM




But the man with the plan over his entire lifespan is Stanley Kubrick. I heart Kubrick from "Killer's Kiss" to "Full Metal Jacket". "Eyes Wide Shut".......I read the novella, it had no bearing on the final outcome and I have always been cynical about that film.


> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:02:55 +0100

> From: bo.krogsgaard at gmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Magazine and movies

>

> When it comes to old movies, i worship Fritz Lang for his two

> masterpieces M and Metropolis. Also Sergei Eisenstein and Friedrich

> Murnau, and even Leni Riefenstahl.

>

> Alfred Hitchcock, yes please, especially Vertigo is visually

> impressive. But i'd take an Orson Welles movie over a Hitchcock movie

> any day, especially The Trial, which to me is how a movie can be taken

> to perfection.

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