[kj] OT: Bill Hicks

[Brendan]

It's funny cos Hicks does the best 'statute of limitations' bit about
getting hassled for always going on about the JFK assassination. So he
counters by raising the statute on Jesus and the Bible...

Yeah, I don't know if the list handles differences of opinion very well,
perhaps there are some Fair Fighting rules online somewhere, or perhaps
it's just an awkward medium where you lose most of the context because you
can't see the body language. Or perhaps it's a rich and vibrant online
community where everyone is free to say what they like. But I agree with
Ade about not feeling as comfortable piping up any more.

I've seen the list thrash out a couple of arguments - adding OT to non-KJ
posts, and deciding that short repetitive posts are okay cos censorship
stifles. Thought that was progress.

Interested to hear your comments.


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> No argument, Leary admitted it to Colleen McGarr (BH's fiance and

> manager).  There were witnesses.  It is documented in the UK bio of Hicks.

>  There is also footage of BH listening to Leary's album on a Sacred Cow

> Productions tape when they were on their wacky way to Waco after he was

> done mixing RIEM.

> Hicks started at the age of 12 writing material.......Leary.......er,

> after Emerson?  Hicks was living with his very fundamentalist parents at

> 12, so smoking was not his primary concern....he raged when the audience

> goaded him to continue.  Leary liked the attention.  But let's not talk of

> the past.

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> *Smoking* is not the issue.  Giving another fevered ego media air time as

> the latest "hip" comedian when he just stole a dying man's act is....that

> is the whole irony and tragedy of the BH saga.  Also seeing that his poor

> ol' mama is the only one left to defend him is pathetic.  I felt so sorry

> for her whilst watching that Letterman show.

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> But forget it, he's dead.  Why should we remember?  Morals?  Values?  Wha?

>  They mean nothing in a Post Modern world that is as advanced as ours.

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> Unbelievable.

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> From: wessidetempest at hotmail.comTo: vassifer at earthlink.net;

> gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:53:21 -0500Subject: Re: [kj]

> OT: Bill Hicks

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> The argument that Leary ripped of Hicks has been on going for a looong

> time.  There is a story that Leary didn't even start doing the smoking

> bitter gag until Hicks was dead.  And there was something dodgy about

> Leary and HIcks death (as far as comments or something).  Honestly I

> cannot be bothered.  I follow the comedian world pretty regularly and so

> much time has passed that it's almost a moot point.  Bill Hicks, who I

> think is excellent, is certainly not the first to be a venomous comedian

> that used smoking as part of the schtick.  He certainly took it up a

> notch.When comedians die unexpectedly fans put them into some sort of

> stratosphere that is not always realistic.Chris

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> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:38:23 -0500From: vassifer at earthlink.netTo:

> gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks

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> The perils and ramifications of smoking aren't really "niche" material.

> You may not like Dennis Leary -- fair enough -- but to accuse him of

> ripping off Hicks in that capacity is pretty unfair.Alex in NYC

> -----Original Message----- From: Brendan Quinn Sent: Jan 30, 2009 12:46 PM

> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" Subject: Re: [kj]

> OT: Bill Hicks

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> We were comparing them because they covered similar material, that I’m

> pretty sure Hicks came up with and Leary stole. Specifically the voicebox

> gag. I could be wrong, but that’s the accusation.

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On Behalf Of Alex SmithSent: Saturday, 31 January 2009 03:59To: A list

> about all things Killing Joke (the band!); 'A list about all things

> Killing Joke (the band!)'Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks

>  You seem to be equating them merely on the fact that they're both "angry"

> comedians. That's not much to go on. I mean, why not toss Don Rickles

> into the mix too, then?

> Alex in NYC

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> -----Original Message----- From: Brendan Quinn Sent: Jan 30, 2009 10:31 AM

> To: "'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'" Subject: Re: [kj]

> OT: Bill Hicks

> Not a fair comparison

because?

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On Behalf Of Alexander SmithSent: Friday, 30 January 2009 23:15To: A list

> about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks

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> Dennis Leary is rarely as earnest and sanctimonious as Bill Hicks was

> capable of being. I love both, but it's not really a fair comparison.

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> Alex in NYC

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> On Jan 30, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Brendan Quinn wrote:

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> Let Hicks=Soundgarden, and Let Leary=Stone Temple Pilots

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> If Soundgarden=TotalGodheadOnEarth and STP=BigFatYawn, then Leary=?

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> Please show working.

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On Behalf Of adeSent: Friday, 30 January 2009 07:24To: A list about all

> things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks

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> LOL, don't forget Denis Leary ;)

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>>From wikipeedo: 'an industry joke began to circulate about Leary's

>> transformation and subsequent success (roughly; "Question: Why is Denis

>> Leary a star while Bill Hicks is unknown? Answer: Because there's no cure

>> for cancer"'

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> -----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan QuinnSent: 29

> January 2009 04:57To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)'Subject: Re: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks

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> The only other comedians I’d put in that category (and none as good as

> Hicks) would be George Carlin, and lately, Joe Rogan, who’s a surprising

> find actually.

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8

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> PS: I haven’t watched this in ages so apologies if it sucks, but from

> memory it’s pretty cool.

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On Behalf Of Bette DillingerSent: Thursday, 29 January 2009 12:34To:

> gathering at misera.netSubject: [kj] OT: Bill Hicks

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> Hey everyone!    Strange, angering, yet I am still gonna try to catch it.

> In the US David Letterman will be showing on Friday, the 30th, 11:30 EST

> the routine of Bill Hicks' that was never aired by Letterman in 1994

> because it was considered too "controversial".  The routine that sullied

> his relationship with the media to a degree.   His mother Mary will also

> be a guest (the irony that the legal executor of the estate is the ex

> attorney for Billy Ray Cyrus, but then you can't make this shit

> up.).........Damn, it has been 14 years!  Are there any comedians that are

> flying under the radar that should be checked out?  I am still looking for

> one whose voice is so resonant with truth and humour. Bette

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