[kj] [OT] John Pilger: Obama is a corporate marketing creation

[The Exorcist]

These might interest you.
Viewpoints from the late Milton Friedman.
Parts 1,2 & 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyystXOfDqo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37-zCyI6rmk&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZNeZUROVM0

At 06:01 PM 8/27/2009, sade1 wrote:

>..full disclosure...

>

>My only exposure to Pilger are his articles over 

>the last few years post-9/11;  I've never read 

>any of his books, or seen his lectures.

>

>About that kind of stuff, usually the best test 

>of it (journalism/investigative writing) is to 

>see how often and/or thoroughly his evidence or 

>synthesis of "it all" is debunked or 

>disproven.  If anyone knows of anything like 

>that on him or any other of his ilk (Woodward, 

>Hirsch, McGovern, Pitt (William Rivers- or 

>Leonard-), Ellsberg, etc.) feel free to post it 

>up, i'd love to learn more. I like having those 

>"*huh*-Will.F.Buckley's-pro-marijuana??" moments.

>

>... ... ... ... ... ...

>

>[looking at the current state of things..]

>

>'Save me...

>   save me from Tomorrow..

>     I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'

>

>

>

>

>From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:36:17 AM

>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] John Pilger: Obama is a corporate marketing creation

>

>Honorary degrees are about popularity, not 

>ability. He's received as much criticism as he 

>has praise; his reputation and status are not 

>universal, and he isn't quite so respected outside of his fanbase.

>

>And Mr Waugh is correct; Pilger's style and 

>content are just like he says. So much of his 

>readership already knows what the point of any 

>selected work is, and often look to his books or 

>articles as confirmation, rather than enlightenment.

>

>Variations of Chomsky's comment can be found 

>uttered in schoolyards acorss the world, any day 

>of the week. Anyone who criticizes Pilger's work 

>is doing so because they're jealous and wish 

>they could write that well. Genius. I hope 

>Chomsky didn't win any awards for that old chestnut.

>

>Jim.

>

>--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz> wrote:

>

>From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] John Pilger: Obama is a corporate marketing creation

>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>

>Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 6:48 AM

>

>Pilger has a ton of honourary degrees and awards for his investigative

>journalism, if you read one of his books such as The New Rulers of the

>World you'll see why. Highly recommended. His style does run to polemic,

>but IMO it's hard not to when talking about cynical manipulators and power

>mongers who use such eloquent and effective PR to cover up atrocities. I

>think the same could be said for Noam Chomsky and Robert Fisk, who always

>come to mind when I think of Pilger. i.e. the cream of the crop in that

>field.

>

>The wiki article on him has the following to say on that topic:

>

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger

>

>The humorous writer Auberon Waugh, writing in The Spectator in the 1970s

>in response to an article Pilger had written alleging Thai complicity in

>child trafficking, coined the verb "to pilger", to present information in

>a sensationalist manner to reach a foregone conclusion

>

>Noam Chomsky has expressed the view that pilger and pilgerise were

>"invented by journalists furious about his incisive and courageous

>reporting, and knowing that the only response they are capable of is

>ridicule."[19]

>

>

>

> > If he's not a conspiracy theorist, he's doing a solid impersonation of

> > one.... ;)

> >

> > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, sade1 

> <<http://uk.mc259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=saulomar1@yahoo.com>saulomar1 at yahoo.com> 

> wrote:

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> > "Veddy inte'desteeng.."

> >   Sad but true**.  It's good he said it; any regular person saying it

> > would be labeled a "conspiracy theorist."Â

> > Â

> > Â

> > **not that anyone is

> > Â Â  Â gonna turn back now.

> > Â

> > .... ... ... ... ... ...

> >

> > [looking at the current state of things..]

> > Â

> > 'Save me...

> >   save me from Tomorrow...

> > Â Â Â  I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'Â Â

> > Â

> >

> >

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> > From: Concrete Cookie 

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