[kj] [OT] John Pilger: Obama is a corporate marketing creation

[Karen Weil]

Yes, no one did it like Bill. ; )  Thanks for the link, btw.

Cheers,

k.w.
SoCal
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  > ..so long as you don't lean so far back in your chair, as Buckley did...

  Not anytime soon. I'm still trying to get that whole tightly puckered, 
  super-creased/pleated-lips look down first.  See, http://www.juggernuts.com/wp-content/uploads/buckley.jpg
  That whole too-cool, "I am just so much smarter than you Humans" 

  far-back-in-the-chair swagger will just to wait for now..



  ... ... ... ... ... ... 

  [looking at the current state of things..]

  'Save me...
    save me from Tomorrow..
      I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   






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  Just so long as you don't lean so far back in your chair, as Buckley did, that you nearly fall out, sade1. ; ) 


  Cheers,

  Karen 
  (who used to love watching "Firing Line" on PBS) 
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    ..full disclosure...

    My only exposure to Pilger are his articles over the last few years post-9/11;  I've never read any of his books, or seen his lectures. 

    About that kind of stuff, usually the best test of it (journalism/investigative writing) is to see how often and/or thoroughly his evidence or synthesis of "it all" is debunked or disproven.  If anyone knows of anything like that on him or any other of his ilk (Woodward, Hirsch, McGovern, Pitt (William Rivers- or Leonard-), Ellsberg, etc.) feel free to post it up, i'd love to learn more. I like having those "*huh*-Will.F.Buckley's-pro-marijuana??" moments.
     
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    [looking at the current state of things..]

    'Save me...
      save me from Tomorrow..
        I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'   






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    From: Jim Harper <jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk>
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          Honorary degrees are about popularity, not ability. He's received as much criticism as he has praise; his reputation and status are not universal, and he isn't quite so respected outside of his fanbase.

          And Mr Waugh is correct; Pilger's style and content are just like he says. So much of his readership already knows what the point of any selected work is, and often look to his books or articles as confirmation, rather than enlightenment.

          Variations of Chomsky's comment can be found uttered in schoolyards acorss the world, any day of the week. Anyone who criticizes Pilger's work is doing so because they're jealous and wish they could write that well. Genius. I hope Chomsky didn't win any awards for that old chestnut.

          Jim.

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            From: Brendan <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
            Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] John Pilger: Obama is a corporate marketing creation
            To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
            Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 6:48 AM


            Pilger has a ton of honourary degrees and awards for his investigative
            journalism, if you read one of his books such as The New Rulers of the
            World you'll see why. Highly recommended. His style does run to polemic,
            but IMO it's hard not to when talking about cynical manipulators and power
            mongers who use such eloquent and effective PR to cover up atrocities. I
            think the same could be said for Noam Chomsky and Robert Fisk, who always
            come to mind when I think of Pilger. i.e. the cream of the crop in that
            field.

            The wiki article on him has the following to say on that topic:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger

            The humorous writer Auberon Waugh, writing in The Spectator in the 1970s
            in response to an article Pilger had written alleging Thai complicity in
            child trafficking, coined the verb "to pilger", to present information in
            a sensationalist manner to reach a foregone conclusion

            Noam Chomsky has expressed the view that pilger and pilgerise were
            "invented by journalists furious about his incisive and courageous
            reporting, and knowing that the only response they are capable of is
            ridicule."[19]



            > If he's not a conspiracy theorist, he's doing a solid impersonation of
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