[kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2

[Brendan Quinn]

Milinda said the cops are institutionally racist, which I agree with in many
cases, and Greg I think said that he doesn't believe people are inherently
racist, rather they're conditioned that way. Both sentiments gel. Most
people aren't racist *inherently* but most cops are.because most people are.

 

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
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Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2

 

Yes, most people aren't racist but most cops are. We're really learning a
lot today, aren't we? 

 

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From: melinda grant <hollytree1961 at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:44:48 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2

i dont,and i am certain alot of other people do not either,as for the
majority of the police,ive made my point on that clearly in an erlier post
majority of em are instinutionally racist bastards.....
 
milindafgrant
 

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From: bettedillinger at live.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:20:27 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2

Everyone has latent racism.
 

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From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:19:43 +0100
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2

i just dont want to generalise but the police are institutionally
racist,there maybe a few exceptions of those who are not, i am talking about
the majority who are racist;(
 
milindafgrant
 

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From: gregslawson at msn.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:03:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2

It's true that psych factors may be important, but a bigger issue is that
the whole "culture" of the police is to get away with abusing people,
covering it up, and being sworn to secrecy. There was an excellent book
about 20 years ago, called I think "The Code of Silence", by a former US
police chief, that detailed all this...
 

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:40:03 +0000
From: jimharper666 at yahoo.co.uk
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2


I'm sure there are psychological factors at work in determining their
personality types, just like all of us. There isn't anything that *forces*
the individual to behave in that fashion, however. There are no doubt a
wealth of psychological issues and problems that go into the make-up of a
violent policeman- some of which are genuinely worthy of sympathy- but we
all know where psychology ends and choice begins. 

 

Jim.

 

From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:29:01 +1000
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT) Police Brutality part 2

If police brutality is part of a bigger picture, then so is civilian
violence.

 

I agree but police brutality is more onerous than civilian brutality - and
judges will take this into account in their sentencing- because they are
provided enhanced powers of physical intervention (legal rights, training,
equipment, back up from thousands of other cops and civilians etc), in
return for the responsibility to defend us. Misusing that privilege to do
the opposite is especially wrong.and deserves stronger punishment (insofar
as we currently favour punishment as opposed to 'correction'). They are
letting us down more than the random idiots because they are the ones we
entrust our security to. In a lot of ways we are more vulnerable to their
misuse of power than we are to random idiots, we've got no real recourse to
resist or defend ourselves. They will just escalate the confrontation
quicker and harder than we ever can. Some of us have a chance against
randoms, no one really has a chance against the police force, right or
wrong. 

  

Ever heard a cop describe the police force as the biggest gang in the
country? I have. 

  

Most of the people at the G20 conference didn't feel obliged to throw bricks
through windows or set fire to building. Anyone who can't manage that should
stay at home; they're not needed. 

  

That might be a clue as to why they feel like they do and do what they do.
I'm not so much defending violent behaviour, as trying to explain it. There
was a study I was reading about recently in New Scientist that said schools
that fit a certain profile were more likely to have mass killings. The
profile included a cliquey, elitist, non-inclusive atmosphere. Again I'm not
blaming that alone for the killings, but it could have played a part.
Anti-social acts are caused by anti-social people, and there's a reason why
people are anti-social, society bears some blame for that. Like it bears
some of the blame for the systemic problems in our police forces. 

  

  

 

 

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