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Yes, and as such, You can lump in Socialist factions as well.
I do recall reading that communism is considered a branch of Socialism.
Would you care to point out any particular 
countries that you consider "communist"?


At 12:02 AM 4/2/2009, J Casavola wrote:

>And what about "Communists", em, I mean 

>"Socialists Ideals"??? In the many applications 

>of Communism, it wasn't actually Communism 

>practiced in Countries such as the USSR and 

>China, which was actually "Socialism".

>

>

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>Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:06:46 -0400

>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>

>While I can't comment much on the intricacies of 

>Christianity and am no fan of any religion/belief being proselyted.

>

>There is no way I can let it be criticized by 

>someone who goes around proselyting an ideal

>which has done so much harm. If ppl. don't agree 

>that is their decision, but please, don't bitch

>at someone else as if you're the one with all 

>the right answers. (Yes Greg, I mean you.)

>

>Reminds me of "Pot, Meet Kettle"

>

>At 10:55 AM 4/1/2009, Stephen Lawrence wrote:

>exo let them be THEY don't want to have an 

>informed and intelligent debate about 

>christianity because they either are misinformed 

>[ haven't studied the bible ] or have a personal axe to grind

>

>

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>Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400

>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>

>The crusades don't come even close in numbers to 

>the amount of deaths caused by Communism

>in such a short span of time.

>

>One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive!

>BTW, what kind of preacher?

>

>You constantly say that "Your Party" is 

>different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument

>is futile. How many sub-sects are there of 

>Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars?

>

>Your party, in every current and recent large 

>nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death,

>famine, discrimination and destruction.

>

>If you want to have an exception between "Good 

>Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism

>run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply 

>exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion).

>[And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?]

>

>At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>How long were the Crusades?

>BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from 

>anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c 

>you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of 

>religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher!

>

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>Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400

>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>Sounds just like Communism to me!

>The only thing that Communism

>(or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation 

>of communism" in which case we can also use

>the statement of "wrong implementation of 

>religion" so to argue this is futile)

>has done better (so far) than religion is to 

>have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time.

>(Timewave speed baby!)

>

>At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>Great anti-religion songs:

>PiL: Religion

>XTC: Dear God

>Lennon: Imagine

>Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick

> 

>All religions make me want to throw up

> 

>They claim that they have the answers

> 

>When they don't even know the questions

>                                              They're just a bunch of liars

>                                               THey just want your money

> 

>THey just want your consciousness"

>

> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700

> > From: joker at Z6.com

> > To: gathering at misera.net

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> >

> >

> > In my dealings, I have found those who make 

> the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving 

> narrow minded individuals who are unable to 

> confront the massive contradictions in their lives.

> >

> > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he 

> was a preacher, obviously a highly effective 

> one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be!

> >

> > What concerns me is how his words have been 

> read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers.

> >

> > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap 

> from the dealings I have had with you off list, 

> but I am alarmed that you might take a simple 

> issue of someone's sexuality and claim it to be morally and spiritually wrong.

> > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His 

> teachings are about forgiveness, understanding 

> and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with 

> hookers! I doubt very much if he would have 

> been a homophobe if he trely was as good as his 

> word. And let's not forget "his word" is just a 

> collection of stories that were put together by 

> people after the fact putting their spin on it. 

> The bible has more than a tasty bit of editing! 

> I mean, where were Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time.............

> >

> > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, like 

> all the other religions I have come across is a 

> blinkered, narrow minded and, at times, 

> downright spiteful tool that has been used to control the masses for aeons.

> >

> > I've an open mind about God. He might or 

> might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But 

> I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty 

> pissed off with all the people running round 

> the world doing things in his/her name!

> >

> > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the 

> population of the Earth is not the act of an 

> omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told 

> that God gave us free will and that we should 

> use it and that would determine our fate. What 

> you're saying is that God says "I'll let you do 

> it your way but when it's not going how I like, 

> I'll take me ball home". These sorts of 

> contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians.

> >

> > I will say that the CHristians have given us 

> some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote:

> >

> > From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke 

> \(the band!\)" <gathering at misera.net>

> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT)

> >

> > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 11 , don't confuse disagreement

> > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and

> > this sums up what I think about it:

> >

> > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in

> > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving

> > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic,

> > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential,

> > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

> >

> > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1.

> >

> > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone

> > who has seen the truth:

> >

> > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his

> > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of

> > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is

> > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality.

> > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do

> > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all

> > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It

> > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there

> > with you.

> >

> > Greg (former Christian)

> >

> >

> > >

> > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not

> > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even

> > > down to the wisdom about doing things in 

> moderation whethrer it be eating

> > > or exercising..have a go at the book 

> proverbs ..and then see how you feel

> > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric

> > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible teaching as none of us will get

> > > back what is in this world as it is going 

> to be destroyed to make way for

> > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king

> > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote 

> ?...although i believe i have a good

> > > command of the english language i either have forgotten or in fact don't

> > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what

> > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it

> > > just as jesus said would happen when he left but jehovah in his patience

> > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's

> > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he 

> will establish HIS kingdom to save

> > > mankind from itself

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > No, actually, that’s not what Christianity 

> is all about at all, and ‘Bible

> > > Wisdom’ is an oxymoron.

> > >

> > > As Nietzsche pointed out, it’s all about 

> taking the centre of gravity out

> > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell.

> > >

> > > SAY YOU’LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK.

> > >

> > >

> > > Recognise the quote?

> > >

> > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more than homosexuality. The Pope is

> > > against effective birth control for 

> starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the

> > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of

> > > priests’ kiddie fiddling. You couldn’t find an organisation where it was

> > > more institutionalised.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence

> > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you

> > > never know what tomorrow may bring

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post.

> > >

> > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > if you are genuinely talking about the 

> weather ..i'd say this unnaturally

> > > warm for this time of year is a lull before 

> the storm which may or may not

> > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer 

> like last year with a pleasant

> > > autumn as consolation prize

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > >

> > > S'ok sweet pea.

> > >

> > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-))

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

> > > To: gathering at misera.net

> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100

> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

> > >

> > > I can roll with that SL.

> > >

> > > Fools that fuck only for fun.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that

> > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and 

> teaches a distorted view of sex

> > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes

> > > both men and women feel inadequate and 

> enforces false body image in other

> > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships

> > >

> > >

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