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[The Exorcist]

It's not a pro/con argument either.

It's simply an argument that a party of one group 
of murderers ought not attack and claim to be morally superior
to another group of murderers.

There ain't no "Holier Than Thou" here....


At 06:52 PM 4/2/2009, sade1 wrote:

> > Who said it's less homicidal?

>

>    I was just commenting of when you wrote, 

> "The crusades don't come even close in numbers 

> to the amount of deaths caused by Communism in 

> such a short span of time." Given how much 

> killing both Xianism and C-ism did and with so 

> much zeal, I don't think pointing out how one 

> didn't kill anywhere near as many as the other 

> is a valid point/premise for a Xian/C'ism 

> pro/con argument.  Sort of like saying to an 

> arresting officer that the powder is not heroin, "..it's cocaine, officer."

>

>"My Christ is bigger than your Lenin!"

>"My Jesus is bigger than your Marx!"etc.etc.etrc..

>  nonsense..........

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>... ... ... ... ... ...

>

>[looking at the current state of things..]

>

>'Save me...

>   save me from Tomorrow..

>     I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...'

>

>

>

>

>From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 3:50:35 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>

>Who said it's less homicidal? What was capable 

>or not, I come down to facts and figures.

>And Communism killed a shitload (many millions) 

>of ppl. in an amazingly short period of time

>

>At 06:20 PM 4/1/2009, sade1 wrote:

>>    But how can the Crusades even partially be 

>> defended as "less homicidal than" Communism when

>>the only reason the crusade/rs didn't kill any 

>>more people it's only because they weren't as mechanized

>>to do so, and not because it somehow isn't as homicidal as Communism?

>>    Crusaders never said, "oh god, no, we can't 

>> go that far." The Crusades (Xian by definition) blatantly

>>pioneered the low arts/sciences of modern and 

>>institutionalized, Church-supported and State-sanctioned genocide.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0400

>>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>>

>>The crusades don't come even close in numbers 

>>to the amount of deaths caused by Communism

>>in such a short span of time.

>>

>>One preacher? Massive numbers! Massive!

>>BTW, what kind of preacher?

>>

>>You constantly say that "Your Party" is 

>>different than the others. I've already pointed out below how that argument

>>is futile. How many sub-sects are there of 

>>Christianity? Where they all responsible for deaths and wars?

>>

>>Your party, in every current and recent large 

>>nation wide implementation has been a failure and a harbinger of death,

>>famine, discrimination and destruction.

>>

>>If you want to have an exception between "Good 

>>Communism" (which I've yet to see) and "Bad Communism" (Communism

>>run amok or perverted) you can not simply apply 

>>exceptions only to Communism and not something else (i.e. Religion).

>>[And I'm the close minded one ehhhh?]

>>

>>At 10:05 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>>How long were the Crusades?

>>BTW my party (which you can't distinguish from 

>>anything else in history w/the same C word, b/c 

>>you're so close-minded), is pretty tolerant of 

>>religion. I personally know some religious members, including one preacher!

>>

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>>Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:48:11 -0400

>>From: killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com

>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>>Sounds just like Communism to me!

>>The only thing that Communism

>>(or as you prefer to say "wrong implementation 

>>of communism" in which case we can also use

>>the statement of "wrong implementation of 

>>religion" so to argue this is futile)

>>has done better (so far) than religion is to 

>>have a vastly greater death toll in a much much shorter period of time.

>>(Timewave speed baby!)

>>

>>At 08:52 AM 4/1/2009, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>>Great anti-religion songs:

>>PiL: Religion

>>XTC: Dear God

>>Lennon: Imagine

>>Dead Kennedys: Religious Vomit: "All religions make me sick

>> 

>>All religions make me want to throw up

>> 

>>They claim that they have the answers

>> 

>>When they don't even know the questions

>>                                              They're just a bunch of liars

>>                                               THey just want your money

>> 

>>THey just want your consciousness"

>>

>> > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:47:16 -0700

>> > From: joker at Z6.com

>> > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>> >

>> >

>> > In my dealings, I have found those who make 

>> the claim to be Christian the most unforgiving 

>> narrow minded individuals who are unable to 

>> confront the massive contradictions in their lives.

>> >

>> > There is no doubt that Jesus existed and he 

>> was a preacher, obviously a highly effective 

>> one. But I'm not quite sure he was who he claimed to be!

>> >

>> > What concerns me is how his words have been 

>> read and are frequently totally ignored by his followers.

>> >

>> > Now, Stephen, you seem like a decent chap 

>> from the dealings I have had with you off 

>> list, but I am alarmed that you might take a 

>> simple issue of someone's sexuality and claim 

>> it to be morally and spiritually wrong.

>> > Would Jesus have taken such a line? His 

>> teachings are about forgiveness, understanding 

>> and acceptance. I mean, this guy hung out with 

>> hookers! I doubt very much if he would have 

>> been a homophobe if he trely was as good as 

>> his word. And let's not forget "his word" is 

>> just a collection of stories that were put 

>> together by people after the fact putting 

>> their spin on it. The bible has more than a 

>> tasty bit of editing! I mean, where were 

>> Jesus's teenage years? That's for another time.............

>> >

>> > Fact of the matter is that Christianity, 

>> like all the other religions I have come 

>> across is a blinkered, narrow minded and, at 

>> times, downright spiteful tool that has been 

>> used to control the masses for aeons.

>> >

>> > I've an open mind about God. He might or 

>> might not exist. Dunno, doubt I ever will. But 

>> I'm pretty sure that he or she would be pretty 

>> pissed off with all the people running round 

>> the world doing things in his/her name!

>> >

>> > The establishment of HIS kingdom over the 

>> population of the Earth is not the act of an 

>> omni-benevolent God is it? I was always told 

>> that God gave us free will and that we should 

>> use it and that would determine our fate. What 

>> you're saying is that God says "I'll let you 

>> do it your way but when it's not going how I 

>> like, I'll take me ball home". These sorts of 

>> contradictions make me want to run a mile from Christianity and Christians.

>> >

>> > I will say that the CHristians have given us 

>> some fine architecture though, so they're not all THAT bad!

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

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>> >

>> > --- bq at soundgardener.co.nz wrote:

>> >

>> > From: "Brendan" <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

>> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke 

>> \(the band!\)" <gathering at misera.net>

>> > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>> > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +1300 (NZDT)

>> >

>> > I'd read the bible by the time I was 10 or 

>> 11 , don't confuse disagreement

>> > with lack of awareness. The thing is chock full of contradictions, and

>> > this sums up what I think about it:

>> >

>> > The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in

>> > all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving

>> > control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty 

>> ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic,

>> > homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential,

>> > megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

>> >

>> > Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, first sentence of Chapter 1.

>> >

>> > Here's an interesting comment from the site I got the quote from, someone

>> > who has seen the truth:

>> >

>> > Dave, I "trusted Jesus" for 30+ years..... He just doesn't stand by his

>> > promises. People in antiquity created God in order to make some sort of

>> > sense out of life's chaos. We now know that this chaos and randomness is

>> > simply the way life is. God or the gods are no longer players in reality.

>> > WAKE UP! Ask yourself if the Holy Spirit really aids you and helps you do

>> > things that are godly. If you are honest, you will realize that it is all

>> > in your head. No outside (or inside) force helps you get through life. It

>> > is merely your own delusional imagination telling you that God is there

>> > with you.

>> >

>> > Greg (former Christian)

>> >

>> >

>> > >

>> > > hhhmmm brendan your arguement is flawed in that it shows you have not

>> > > studied the bible or you would know what i mean about bible wisdom even

>> > > down to the wisdom about doing things in 

>> moderation whethrer it be eating

>> > > or exercising..have a go at the book 

>> proverbs ..and then see how you feel

>> > > ..i am not familiar with nietzsche andregarding the killing joke lyric

>> > > that also shows jaz's ignorance of bible 

>> teaching as none of us will get

>> > > back what is in this world as it is going 

>> to be destroyed to make way for

>> > > jehovah's kingdom '' man has stumbled around like a demented child king

>> > > long enough'' ..recognise that quote 

>> ?...although i believe i have a good

>> > > command of the english language i either 

>> have forgotten or in fact don't

>> > > know what an oxymoron is ....christendom is definitly NOT what

>> > > christianity is all about but in fact man's own perverted version of it

>> > > just as jesus said would happen when he 

>> left but jehovah in his patience

>> > > and wisdom has given mankind time to turn back to him but know's man's

>> > > sinful nature will prevent him ...so he 

>> will establish HIS kingdom to save

>> > > mankind from itself

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>> > > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:15:40 +1100

>> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > No, actually, that̢۪s not what 

>> Chrisristianity is all about at all, and ‘Bible

>> > Wisdom̢۪ is an oxymoron.

>> > >

>> > As Nietzsche pointed out, it̢۪s all about 

>> taktaking the centre of gravity out

>> > > of the here and now and putting it into some myth of Heaven and Hell.

>> > >

>> > > SAY YOU̢۪LL GET IT ALL BACK GET IT ALL BACK GET IT AT ALL BACK.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Recognise the quote?

>> > >

>> > > PS: Christianity perverts sexuality more 

>> than homosexuality. The Pope is

>> > > against effective birth control for 

>> starving AIDS-ridden Africans. And the

>> > > catholic church (amongst others) is under assault from all the cases of

>> > > priests̢۪ kiddie fiddling. You 

>> couldnÃdn’t find an organisation where it was

>> > > m; more institutionalised.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

>> <mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

>> > > On Behalf Of Stephen Lawrence

>> > > Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 11:59

>> > > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>> > >

>> > > not grim jo realistic as in biblical wisdom of live for today for you

>> > > never know what tomorrow may bring

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

>> > > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:41:54 +0100

>> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>> > >

>> > > Oh you grim bugger. My eyes! >: reading your post.

>> > >

>> > > This Summer is going to be gorgeous - I've sown my heart with my seeds.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > if you are genuinely talking about the 

>> weather ..i'd say this unnaturally

>> > > warm for this time of year is a lull 

>> before the storm which may or may not

>> > > herald a heatwave or a washout of a summer 

>> like last year with a pleasant

>> > > autumn as consolation prize

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

>> > > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:18:33 +0100

>> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > S'ok sweet pea.

>> > >

>> > > We're in for a lovely Spring; don't you think? :-))

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > thanks for that jo your support in the past has not gone unnoticed

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > From: jo at arcadia.karoo.co.uk

>> > > To: gathering at misera.net

>> > > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:06:49 +0100

>> > > Subject: Re: [kj] Official Site

>> > >

>> > > I can roll with that SL.

>> > >

>> > > Fools that fuck only for fun.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > what utter bollocks brendan ..it's stupid statements like that that

>> > > enforces stereotyping of women and men and 

>> teaches a distorted view of sex

>> > > which is not just for recreation but the procreation of life ..it makes

>> > > both men and women feel inadequate and 

>> enforces false body image in other

>> > > words porn perverts the act of making love and destoys relationships

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