[kj] Hossanas - democracy

[jon chapman]

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> k.> California> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marcel" <spooman at freenet.de>> To: <gathering at misera.net>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:58 PM> Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy> > > > Neither OTG, Democracy or Hosannas are favorites in my book. On the the > > other hand I'll have to say that I really love the fact that KJ have > > always tried totally different approaches sound- and songwritingwise. To > > me America, Stay one jump ahead, Tiahuanaco and the title track are > > interesting songs. I just hate the production. I also like the Democracy > > attempt of trying to fit in acoustic guitars. In my opinion there are very > > good songs here, too. Obviously that attempt has to be called a failure - > > but the idea in itself is quite interesting and I think there's quite a > > bunch of hints on the album that it could have been great.> > Releasing an album such as Hosannas after the "perfect" new school Gill > > production of KJ 2003 tells me that the band is not playing it safe. And > > that's something I really appreciate, although I'm not a fan of this one > > production-wise again. But songs like Invocation, Walking with gods and > > Judas Goat do work in my opinion.> > I think KJ frequently made the wrong decisions concerning production. F.e. > > I think the original Pandemonium mixes are among the best they ever did > > whereas Youth's "then-new metal" album production makes it sound dated > > today. Given the ceaseless KJ-rereleases lately I'm optimistic we'll have > > the chance of buying the complete original Pandemonium mixes someday. And > > I'm thrilled beyond words to experience Pandemonium live in Belgium. Sorry > > for the questionable english...> >> > Marcel - Koblenz, Germany> >> > At 19:09 15.09.2008, you wrote:> >>Send Gathering mailing list submissions to> >> gathering at misera.net> >>> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> >> gathering-request at misera.net> >>> >>You can reach the person managing the list at> >> gathering-owner at misera.net> >>> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> >>than "Re: Contents of Gathering digest..."> >>> >>> >>The Gathering - Digest> >>> >>Today's Topics:> >>> >> 1. Re: Hossanas - democracy (Elana Mojica)> >> 2. Re: Current Fav K.J. song (Darren A. Peace)> >> 3. recent gig pics yet ? (ze king)> >> 4. Re: recent gig pics yet ? (folk devil)> >> 5. MD Crack Butt Blues (Change)> >> 6. Re: Current Fav K.J. song (Change)> >> 7. You don't have to listen to Hell if you don't like the way it> >> sounds (Change)> >> 8. Re: MD Crack Butt Blues (folk devil)> >> 9. OT: Pink Floyd's Rick Wright dies (Alex Smith)> >> 10. Re: Hossanas - democracy (Alex Smith)> >> 11. Re: Hossanas - democracy (folk devil)> >>> >>> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------> >>> >>Message: 1> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:58:48 -0700 (PDT)> >>From: Elana Mojica <elana_mojica at yahoo.com>> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"> >> <gathering at misera.net>> >>Message-ID: <225981.79577.qm at web57310.mail.re1.yahoo.com>> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> >>> >>Prozac People, Lanterns (which i played at Jester and Jeanie's funeral's) > >>Absent Friends (also played) I love Medicine Wheel, and Another Bloody > >>Election all great songs> >>> >>> >>> >>----- Original Message ----> >>From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>> >>To: gathering at misera.net> >>Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:56:39 AM> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy> >>> >> there are some good tracks on democracy :)> >>'intellect', for one.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>________________________________> >>> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:15:08 -0400> >>From: vassifer at earthlink.net> >>To: gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.net> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas> >>> >>> >> I bet it'll join the ranks of DEMOCRACY and OUTSIDE THE GATE in being an > >> album whose songs are rarely -- if ever -- played live.> >>Alex in NYC> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-----Original Message-----> >>From: mike> >>Sent: Sep 15, 2008 11:01 AM> >>To: gathering at misera.net> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas> >>> >> I'd love to hear the bands thoughts on the album now.> >>Production..recording does suck tremendously.> >>I still like half the songs though.> >>> >>> >>________________________________> >> Use Windows Live Messenger to send messages to your buddies on their > >> mobile phones Find out more on our PC to Mobile website> >>________________________________> >>Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows > >>Live. See Now> >>> >>> >>> >>-------------- next part --------------> >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> >>URL: > >><http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/gathering/attachments/20080915/8e6512a8/attachment-0001.html>> >>> >>------------------------------> >>> >>Message: 2> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:16:52 +0100> >>From: "Darren A. Peace" <dpeace at bigfoot.com>> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song> >>To: "'Alex Smith'" <vassifer at earthlink.net>, "'A list about all things> >> Killing Joke \(the band!\)'" <gathering at misera.net>> >>Message-ID: <01c701c9174e$7c559040$7500b0c0$@com>> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> >>> >>Heh! Wasn't trying to make a pariah out of you; I accept you're not alone > >>in> >>your view, although I don't remember reading that anyone else prefers OTG > >>to> >>Hosannas.> >>> >>Actually, as a result of your post, I've been mowing the lawn with > >>Hosannas> >>at My Bloody Valentine volumes on my iPod, and it's fucking great! Works> >>best at earsplitting volume, imo, and for those who object to the song> >>lengths, there's always that 5-track promo of edited versions. The > >>bassines,> >>which are too buried at lower volumes, are great too, and I like Ben's> >>drumming. I think, though, that the full track lengths help the drone > >>aspect> >>of the album - quite why the infrequent second chord in Invocation is so> >>exciting, I don't know.> >>> >>My least favourite album proper is Democracy. Geordie and acoustic > >>guitars?> >>That's fundamentally wrong. Apart from Aeon (which is superb), I don't> >>really like any track on the album, and Prozac People is Jaz's worst > >>lyric.> >>And he's written some stinkers. Can't listen to "Goodbye To The Village"> >>because of that awful line about rabbit hutches (although otherwise it's a> >>good song; maybe it's just the way he sings those two words).> >>> >>I *like* Outside The Gate in large part. Crappy syn-drums and all. The > >>title> >>track is genuinely exciting to me, even the coda (I'll pretend Geordie's > >>not> >>playing an acoustic guitar there, so as not to destroy my thesis).> >>> >>And the more I listen to it, the more I rate the new Metallica. Expunge > >>the> >>aural diarrhoea that is St Anger and give this one a try. Really. I think> >>you'll be surprised.> >>> >>Judas Goat.> >>> >>Darren> >>Hungerford, UK> >>> >>-----Original Message-----> >>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] > >>On> >>Behalf Of Alex Smith> >>Sent: 15 September 2008 16:17> >>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!); 'A list about all> >>things Killing Joke (the band!)'> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song> >>> >>> >>"While I have a lot of time or Alex and his opinions"> >>> >>Ummm...it's not just *MY* opinion. Leigh (among others) agrees with me.> >>> >>Alex in NYC> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------> >>> >>Message: 3> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:32:51 +0000> >>From: ze king <zeking_33 at hotmail.com>> >>Subject: [kj] recent gig pics yet ?> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"> >> <gathering at misera.net>> >>Message-ID: <BAY135-W8D6E9CD6AC314F9C9BD1184520 at phx.gbl>> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> >>> >>> >>anyone ?ze king.> >>_________________________________________________________________> >>Dit schooljaar ben jij gratis de held online!> >>http://get.live.com> >>-------------- next part --------------> >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> >>URL: > >><http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/gathering/attachments/20080915/4f119bf6/attachment-0001.html>> >>> >>------------------------------> >>> >>Message: 4> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:37:40 -0700> >>From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>> >>Subject: Re: [kj] recent gig pics yet ?> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"> >> <gathering at misera.net>> >>Message-ID: <BAY107-W512BEDB53DA412D112FE9EED520 at phx.gbl>> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> >>> >>> >>need to get a slimline for the LA gig...'NO CAMERAS'...> >>will put md in buttcrack, too...."> >>> >>> >>> >>From: zeking_33 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 > >>16:32:51 +0000Subject: [kj] recent gig pics yet ?> >>> >>> >>anyone ?ze king.> >>> >>> >>> >>Vanaf nu heb je je vrienden overal bij! Messenger voor Mobile> >>_________________________________________________________________> >>Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows > >>Live.> >>http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/> >>-------------- next part --------------> >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> >>URL: > >><http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/gathering/attachments/20080915/f33024b6/attachment-0001.htm>> >>> >>------------------------------> >>> >>Message: 5> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:43:21 +0000 (GMT)> >>From: Change <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>> >>Subject: [kj] MD Crack Butt Blues> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"> >> <gathering at misera.net>> >>Message-ID: <460102.84932.qm at web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com>> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8> >>> >>Ah so so so> >>Was this MD in crack wot iPat was on about when he was making up shit up > >>the ass?> >>> >>Me, I prefer the wigglin' tongue of an Oriental lady, butt each to his > >>own!> >>> >>--- On Mon, 15/9/08, folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:> >>> >> > From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] recent gig pics yet ?> >> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"> >> <gathering at misera.net>> >> > Date: Monday, 15 September, 2008, 5:37 PM> >> > need to get a slimline for the LA gig...'NO> >> > CAMERAS'...> >> > will put md in buttcrack, too...."> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: zeking_33 at hotmail.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate:> >> > Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:32:51 +0000Subject: [kj] recent gig pics> >> > yet ?> >> >> >> >> >> > anyone ?ze king.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Vanaf nu heb je je vrienden overal bij! Messenger voor> >> > Mobile> >> > _________________________________________________________________> >> > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone> >> > with Windows Live.> >> >> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________> >> > Gathering mailing list> >> > Gathering at misera.net> >> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------> >>> >>Message: 6> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:47:53 +0000 (GMT)> >>From: Change <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"> >> <gathering at misera.net>> >>Message-ID: <720725.65459.qm at web23201.mail.ird.yahoo.com>> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8> >>> >>> >> >> >> > Ummm...it's not just *MY* opinion. Leigh (among others)> >> > agrees with me.> >> >> >> > Alex in NYC> >> >> >> >> >>Aye Aye> >>but he likes OASIS...> >>> >>> >>Jesus Christ!!!> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------> >>> >>Message: 7> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:52:23 +0000 (GMT)> >>From: Change <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>> >>Subject: [kj] You don't have to listen to Hell if you don't like the> >> way it sounds> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke \(the band!\)"> >> <gathering at misera.net>> >>Message-ID: <909786.48695.qm at web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com>> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8> >>> >>> >>> >> > From: jon chapman <jonniespatula at hotmail.co.uk>> >> > Subject: Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song> >> > To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"> >> <gathering at misera.net>> >> > Date: Monday, 15 September, 2008, 4:14 PM> >> > totally! that and gratitude are simply brilliant.> >> >> >>> >>I love Majestic Gods Go Psycho> >>> >>but it is all good even if Lightbringer goes way OTT> >>> >> > i like the production.> >> >> >>> >>Sounds good to me.> >>I bet it sounds best on vinyl though, and I only have CD.> >>> >> >> >> > > > Two words : Judas Goat.> > While I have a> >> > lot of time or Alex and his opinions, this one is just> >> > wrong.> Laziness in failure to edit the songs is one> >> > thing, and it's not their best> sounding album by any> >> > stretch of the imagination, but Geordie's work is>> >> > incandescent on Hosannas.> > Worst album is the> >> > Cortauld Talks, from its spermy cover to its bollocks>> >> > contents. Wonder how many times it's sold on iTunes?> >> > I'd like to see the> face of someone who's just> >> > endured the 5 day download and has fired up their> first> >> > listen.> > And did I mention Judas Goat?> >> >> > Darren> Hungerford, UK > > > -----Original> >> > Message-----> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net> >> > [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On> Behalf Of> >> > Alexander Smith> Sent: 15 September 2008 12:24> To: A> >> > list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> Subject:> >> > Re: [kj] Current Fav K.J. song> > > With all due> >> > respect to Oliver, I think HOSANNAS is the worst thing KJ> >> > > have ever done (yes, worse than OUTSIDE THE GATE).>> >> > > Alex in NYC> >> >> > _______________________________________________>> >> > Gathering mailing list> Gathering at misera.net>> >> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >> > _________________________________________________________________> >> > Win New York holidays with Kellogg?s & Live Search> >> >> >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354033/direct/01/_______________________________________________> >> > Gathering mailing list> >> > Gathering at misera.net> >> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------> >>> >>Message: 8> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:53:03 -0700> >>From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>> >>Subject: Re: [kj] MD Crack Butt Blues> >>To: <gathering at misera.net>> >>Message-ID: <BAY107-W5034C51E74938C01529574ED520 at phx.gbl>> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"> >>> >>> >>i think the rimming might interfere with the recording...> Date: Mon, 15 > >>Sep 2008 16:43:21 +0000> From: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk> To: > >>gathering at misera.net> Subject: [kj] MD Crack Butt Blues> > Ah so so so> > >>Was this MD in crack wot iPat was on about when he was making up shit up > >>the ass?> > Me, I prefer the wigglin' tongue of an Oriental lady, butt > >>each to his own!> > --- On Mon, 15/9/08, folk devil > >><folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com> wrote:> > > From: folk devil > >><folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [kj] recent gig pics yet ?> > > >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" > >><gathering at misera.net>> > Date: Monday, 15 September, 2008, 5:37 PM> > > >>need to get a slimline for the LA gig...'NO> > CAMERAS'...> > will put md > >>in buttcrack, too...."> > > > > > > > From: zeking_33 at hotmail.comTo: > >>gathering at misera.netDate:> > Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:32:51 +0000Subject: [kj] > >>recent gig pics> > yet ?> > > > > > anyone ?ze king.> > > > > > > > Vanaf > >>nu heb je je vrienden overal bij! Messen> >> ger voor> > Mobile > > > >> _________________________________________________________________> > Stay > >> up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone> > with Windows > >> Live.> > > >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/_______________________________________________> > >> > Gathering mailing list> > Gathering at misera.net> > > >> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> > > > > >> _______________________________________________> Gathering mailing list> > >> Gathering at misera.net> http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering> >>_________________________________________________________________> >>See how Windows Mobile brings your life together?at home, work, or on the > >>go.> >>http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> >>-------------- next part --------------> >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> >>URL: > >><http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/gathering/attachments/20080915/ef193924/attachment-0001.html>> >>> >>------------------------------> >>> >>Message: 9> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:05:30 -0400 (GMT-04:00)> >>From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>> >>Subject: [kj] OT: Pink Floyd's Rick Wright dies> >>To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk, "A list about all things Killing > >>Joke> >> (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>, "A list about all things > >> Killing> >> Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>> >>Message-ID:> >> <3994455.1221498330567.JavaMail.root at mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>> >>> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> >>> >>> >>Very sad.> >>> >>> >>http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=330735> >>> >>Alex in NYC> >>> >>> >>> >>------------------------------> >>> >>Message: 10> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00)> >>From: Alex Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy> >>To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"> >> <gathering at misera.net>, gathering at misera.net> >>Message-ID:> >> <21473464.1221498376718.JavaMail.root at mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>> >>> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> >>> >>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> >>URL: > >><http://four.pairlist.net/pipermail/gathering/attachments/20080915/4616f3a0/attachment-0001.htm>> >>> >>------------------------------> >>> >>Message: 11> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:09:41 -0700> >>From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>> >>Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy> >>To: <gathering at misera.net>> >>Message-ID: <BAY107-W3986DFC8D0D2894C10CF6AED520 at phx.gbl>> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> >>> >>> >>hmmm...never :[> >>> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:06:16 -0400From: vassifer at earthlink.netTo: > >>gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - > >>democracy> >>> >>> >>> >>That wasn't my point. There are some GREAT songs on DEMOCRACY ("Aeon" > >>chiefly among them), but when was the last time you heard any of them > >>performed live?> >>> >>Alex in NYC> >>-----Original Message----- From: folk devil Sent: Sep 15, 2008 11:56 AM > >>To: gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas - democracy> >>> >>there are some good tracks on democracy :)'intellect', for one.> >>> >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:15:08 -0400From: vassifer at earthlink.netTo: > >>gathering at misera.net; gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Hossanas> >>> >>I bet it'll join the ranks of DEMOCRACY and OUTSIDE THE GATE in being an > >>album whose songs are rarely -- if ever -- played live.Alex in NYC> >>-----Original Message----- From: mike Sent: Sep 15, 2008 11:01 AM To: > >>gathering at misera.net Subject: Re: [kj] Hossanas> >>> >>I'd love to hear the bands thoughts on the album now.Production..recording > >>does suck tremendously.I still like half the songs though.> >>> >>Use Windows Live Messenger to send messages to your buddies on their > >>mobile phones Find out more on our PC to Mobile website> >>> >>Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows > >>Live. 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