[kj] [OT] More Palin

[Karen Weil]

Hear, hear! 

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: The Exorcist 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin


  For those living in solid democratic or republican states one might as well.
  Being that we use the electoral vote, any minority vote in a majority state is
  pointless.

  I prefer the popular vote. But it seems our founding fathers had different ideas.

  At 07:20 PM 9/12/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

    OK, I give up -- let's just all stay home on election day, right? 
     
    Happy Friday, 
     
    k.w.

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Bette Dillinger 

      To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 

      Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:53 PM

      Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin


      People look in the short term for a quick solution to something that culminated after 25 plus years.  There is going to be a shitload of pressure on Obama, but I have no doubt he will allow his ego to be fortified by those who indeed think he is a messianic figure.  He wife even says things to that effect.  He already has name checked alot of peeps already that he wants to emulate.  



      We live in interesting times.



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      Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:47:43 -0700

      From: saulomar1 at yahoo.com

      To: gathering at misera.net

      Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin



         I honestly never thought you liked O in a messianic way.  You just don't come 

      across that way, if i've "listened" correctly all along. Butcha gotta admit that when 

      you're in some Bamapalooza-style gathering.. you must sense a certain subtle 

      difference between how you are accepting Obama and lotsa the others around you. 

        I mean, lots of those when brought together start to look like highly devoted, 

      wide-eyed yet slightly condescending Hare Krishnas out on the Venice Beach Boardwalk.



        btw, about "..the any messiah B.S.", what I "asterisked" at bottom of my previous 

      reply were  the actual definitions of "messiah" and "messianic", included strictly to 

      avoid ambiguity:





      > ** as in: 

      >      idealism.. an aggressive crusading 

      >      spirit.. expected king or deliverer.. 

      >      professed or accepted leader of 

      >      some hope or cause...





      ... ... ... ... ... ... 


      [looking at the current state of things]


      'Save me...

        save me from Tomorrow..

         I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   



      ----- Original Message ----

      From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>

      To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

      Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:28:01 PM

      Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin


      Sorry, but I'm not fooling enough to buy into any messiah B.S. 

      And Obama may be seen by some as a "messiah" but John McCain  -- who I happily would have backed 8 years -- has SOLD his soul. And that's tragic. 

      (And maybe you weren't around during the Reagan years, but the GOP basically holds him up as a god.)



      Maybe one day this country will stop idolizing politicians from any party, and just see them a no-nonsense light. In the meantime, we're stuck with what we're stuck with. 

      And I'm not supporting McCain.

      Appreciate your thoughts, however. 



      Best,



      k.w.

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: sade1 

        To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 

        Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:13 PM

        Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin


        ;)

           Non-right skeptics have been saying 'messiah' since before i heard 

        the right wing using it, & the whole "YOU CAN bring us deliverance from 

        our national sins, as a nation"[rednd.4mphsis] attitude towards Obama is 

        pretty much a case of "if the shoe fits...then put the other one on and let's go." 



           The whole messianic fervor is one that O'Followers very openly proclaim 

        and embrace, and condescendingly sometimes too, so if they so enjoy how 

        the shoes feel, then everything's pretty clear by that point.



          I've learned you can't rationalize away someone's flaws even and especially) 

        if you need that person to win, because what that just does is actually to validate 

        them [flaws] and then you can't shake them - because you just validated them.



          Basically, when backing a thief, you can't ever tell 

        them "oh, it was ok, that one time...." or else.



        >  Clinton didn't win.Don't know what to tell you..

         

          Yeah, there's nothing to say: Hillary's been dead and buried; she paid for her 

        mismanagement of her race. Chelsea looks qute at times, tho'.





        ** as in: 

             idealism.. an aggressive crusading 

             spirit.. expected king or deliverer.. 

             professed or accepted leader of 

             some hope or cause...



        ... ... ... ... ... ... 


        [looking at the current state of things]


        'Save me...

          save me from Tomorrow..

           I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   



        ----- Original Message ----

        From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>

        To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

        Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:39:00 PM

        Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin


        You have a point, Sade. However, Clinton didn't win.Don't know what to tell you about that. And with all due respect, I don't know why you keep repeating the "messiah" thing. That's a right-wing talking point.)

        If you think McCain's going to win, that's OK. Personally, I'd prefer that not happen. 



        k.w.

          ----- Original Message ----- 

          From: sade1 

          To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 

          Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:34 PM

          Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin


             Between Obamarama and Joey "Pluggs" Biden it's clear Biden (with 30yrs.+ gov't. and international experience) is much better prepared to steer the country thru the current world, and so to be president. Unless it really is true that experience is not only irrelevant, but pointless. 

             That's the insult of that ticket; doesn't anyone see the irony in Obama/Biden. I'm supposed to believe otherwise?  Also, if it's true that Joey "Pluggs" said Hillary would be a better vice- than him, then, isn't it true that...



             Biden > Obama  for the presidency, (not for Temple High Priest)

             Hillary > Biden,  for the presidency, (not for Temple High Priest)

             Hillary > Obama for the presidency, (not for Temple High Priest)



             What gets me is that whole "we're-so-right-ergo you're-all-so-wrong!" messianic trance state Obamarama's peoples are in that they don't see the irony in all this.




          ... ... ... ... ... ... 


          [looking at the current state of things]


          'Save me...

            save me from Tomorrow..

             I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   



          ----- Original Message ----

          From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>

          To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

          Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:12:47 PM

          Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin


          Doesn't know the bush doctrine?


          How about Obama who is running for President not knowing about

          UN policy? Recall the "lets go to the UN and go after Russia" while forgetting

          that Russia has Veto Power?


          Or when Barack Obama said, "I'm going to call in the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and give them a new mission, 

          and that is to bring the war in Iraq to a close." 

          The problem is that the Joint Chief of Staff does not have operational command of the U.S. Military. So he

          has no clue how the gov't works as well.


          Hmmmm....


          I guess that sorta evens out the "best candidate" arguemtn ehhh?


          At 03:53 PM 9/12/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

            Doesn't know the Bush Doctrine? Blamed Russia for the for the conflict over there? Still connecting Iraq to 9/11.

            Somebody tell us again why McCain picked this woman -- it sure as hell wasn't because she was the best candidate.

            Sad, sad, sad.



            k.w. 
              ----- Original Message ----- 
              From: folk devil 
              To: gathering at misera.net 
              Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:49 AM 
              Subject: [kj] [OT] More Palin


              http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5782924

               
              Republican VP Candidate Speaks with ABC News' Charlie Gibson in Exclusive Interview.

               
              In god she trusts. Too much.



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