[kj] [OT] More Palin

[The Exorcist]

No ambiguity? We'd never have an elected official without it.

(BTW, this past Tuesday there was some voting going on.
I proudly proclaim that I did not vote or cast a ballot for any single
candidate as I thought they were all crap!)

Cheers,
Me

At 06:47 PM 9/12/2008, sade1 wrote:

>    I honestly never thought you liked O in a messianic way.  You 

> just don't come

>across that way, if i've "listened" correctly all along. Butcha 

>gotta admit that when

>you're in some Bamapalooza-style gathering.. you must sense a certain subtle

>difference between how you are accepting Obama and lotsa the others 

>around you.

>   I mean, lots of those when brought together start to look like 

> highly devoted,

>wide-eyed yet slightly condescending Hare Krishnas out on the Venice 

>Beach Boardwalk.

>

>   btw, about "..the any messiah B.S.", what I "asterisked" at 

> bottom of my previous

>reply were  the actual definitions of "messiah" and "messianic", 

>included strictly to

>avoid ambiguity:

>

>

> > ** as in:

> >      idealism.. an aggressive crusading

> >      spirit.. expected king or deliverer..

> >      professed or accepted leader of

> >      some hope or cause...

>

>

>... ... ... ... ... ...

>

>[looking at the current state of things]

>

>'Save me...

>   save me from Tomorrow..

>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'

>

>

>----- Original Message ----

>From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:28:01 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin

>

>Sorry, but I'm not fooling enough to buy into any messiah B.S.

>And Obama may be seen by some as a "messiah" but John McCain  -- who 

>I happily would have backed 8 years -- has SOLD his soul. And that's tragic.

>(And maybe you weren't around during the Reagan years, but the GOP 

>basically holds him up as a god.)

>

>Maybe one day this country will stop idolizing politicians from any 

>party, and just see them a no-nonsense light. In the meantime, we're 

>stuck with what we're stuck with.

>And I'm not supporting McCain.

>Appreciate your thoughts, however.

>

>Best,

>

>k.w.

>----- Original Message -----

>From: <mailto:saulomar1 at yahoo.com>sade1

>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about all things Killing 

>Joke (the band!)

>Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:13 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin

>

>;)

>    Non-right skeptics have been saying 'messiah' since before i heard

>the right wing using it, & the whole "YOU CAN bring us deliverance from

>our national sins, as a nation"[rednd.4mphsis] attitude towards Obama is

>pretty much a case of "if the shoe fits...then put the other one on 

>and let's go."

>

>    The whole messianic fervor is one that O'Followers very openly proclaim

>and embrace, and condescendingly sometimes too, so if they so enjoy how

>the shoes feel, then everything's pretty clear by that point.

>

>   I've learned you can't rationalize away someone's flaws even and 

> especially)

>if you need that person to win, because what that just does is 

>actually to validate

>them [flaws] and then you can't shake them - because you just validated them.

>

>   Basically, when backing a thief, you can't ever tell

>them "oh, it was ok, that one time...." or else.

>

> >  Clinton didn't win.Don't know what to tell you..

>

>   Yeah, there's nothing to say: Hillary's been dead and buried; she 

> paid for her

>mismanagement of her race. Chelsea looks qute at times, tho'.

>

>

>** as in:

>      idealism.. an aggressive crusading

>      spirit.. expected king or deliverer..

>      professed or accepted leader of

>      some hope or cause...

>

>... ... ... ... ... ...

>

>[looking at the current state of things]

>

>'Save me...

>   save me from Tomorrow..

>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'

>

>

>----- Original Message ----

>From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:39:00 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin

>

>You have a point, Sade. However, Clinton didn't win.Don't know what 

>to tell you about that. And with all due respect, I don't know why 

>you keep repeating the "messiah" thing. That's a right-wing talking point.)

>If you think McCain's going to win, that's OK. Personally, I'd 

>prefer that not happen.

>

>k.w.

>----- Original Message -----

>From: <mailto:saulomar1 at yahoo.com>sade1

>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about all things Killing 

>Joke (the band!)

>Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:34 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin

>

>    Between Obamarama and Joey "Pluggs" Biden it's clear Biden (with 

> 30yrs.+ gov't. and international experience) is much better 

> prepared to steer the country thru the current world, and so to be 

> president. Unless it really is true that experience is not only 

> irrelevant, but pointless.

>    That's the insult of that ticket; doesn't anyone see the irony 

> in Obama/Biden. I'm supposed to believe otherwise?  Also, if it's 

> true that Joey "Pluggs" said Hillary 

> <http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/09/10/2008-09-10_biden_blunder_joe_says_maybe_hillary_cli.html>would 

> be a better vice- than him, then, isn't it true that...

>

>    Biden > Obama  for the presidency, (not for Temple High Priest)

>    Hillary > Biden,  for the presidency, (not for Temple High Priest)

>    Hillary > Obama for the presidency, (not for Temple High Priest)

>

>    What gets me is that whole "we're-so-right-ergo 

> you're-all-so-wrong!" messianic trance state Obamarama's peoples 

> are in that they don't see the irony in all this.

>

>

>... ... ... ... ... ...

>

>[looking at the current state of things]

>

>'Save me...

>   save me from Tomorrow..

>    I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'

>

>

>----- Original Message ----

>From: The Exorcist <killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>

>Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:12:47 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] More Palin

>

>Doesn't know the bush doctrine?

>

>How about Obama who is running for President not knowing about

>UN policy? Recall the "lets go to the UN and go after Russia" while forgetting

>that Russia has Veto Power?

>

>Or when Barack Obama said, "I'm going to call in the Joint Chiefs of 

>Staff, and give them a new mission,

>and that is to bring the war in Iraq to a close."

>The problem is that the Joint Chief of Staff does not have 

>operational command of the U.S. Military. So he

>has no clue how the gov't works as well.

>

>Hmmmm....

>

>I guess that sorta evens out the "best candidate" arguemtn ehhh?

>

>At 03:53 PM 9/12/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

>>Doesn't know the Bush Doctrine? Blamed Russia for the for the 

>>conflict over there? Still connecting Iraq to 9/11.

>>Somebody tell us again why McCain picked this woman -- it sure as 

>>hell wasn't because she was the best candidate.

>>Sad, sad, sad.

>>

>>k.w.

>>----- Original Message -----

>>From: <mailto:folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>folk devil

>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>gathering at misera.net

>>Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 11:49 AM

>>Subject: [kj] [OT] More Palin

>>

>><http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5782924>http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5782924

>>

>>Republican VP Candidate Speaks with ABC News' Charlie Gibson in 

>>Exclusive Interview.

>>

>>In god she trusts. Too much.

>>

>>

>>

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