[kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?

[sade1]

About u.s. involvement 
(by not getting involved..soooo u.s.) in Georgia: http://www.truthout.org/article/putins-ruthless-gambit
 
About how Russia has the right to worry 
over u.s. involvement in georgia/e.europe 
the same way the U.S. worried over Cuba 
getting with the USSR: http://www.truthout.org/article/violating-someones-sphere-influence-can-be-dangerous
 
..grab a coffee...
 
... ... ... ... ... ... 

[looking at the current state of things]

'Save me...
  save me from Tomorrow..
   I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   

--- On Mon, 9/8/08, pssyche23 <antoni at clara.net> wrote:

From: pssyche23 <antoni at clara.net>
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:03 PM

I'm half Polish by parentage but always considered myself to be English. 
We've seen programs over here in the UK about old Soviet airstrips and 
secret rendition flights - I'm not too happy about it ... post 9/11, the US

is obviously pumping huge sums into Poland ... brand new F-16s replacing the 
MiG-21's (not just some refurbished models out of the boneyard either) ... 
then the missile shield plan ... not good ... always found it ironic that 
back in the 1980's Thatcher (spit) was keen to align herself with Lech 
Walesa and Solidarnosc, whilst crushing the umions over here ... real 
politik or whatever it is called ... altogther now, Maggie Thatcher, milk 
snatcher ...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B. Oliver Sheppard" <bigblackhair at sbcglobal.net>
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their minds?



> WAYYYY different circumstances and a way different political climate.

>

> Again, this just reflects the lingering, weird old residue of Cold War

> thinking that says Putin is basically Brezhnez, or something, and

> whatever Russia does now is done in the name of Communist Imperialism.

> The reflexively anti-Russian conservative base in the USA seems to

> masochistically WANT to think that Russia is motivated by old Cold War

> imperatives. That they might actually be protecting ethnic Russians a

> mere 100 miles outside their own borders seems to be off the table, an

> absurd idea. It's as if the old Cold War USSR had landed troops inside

> England in the 1960s. That's way different than defending Ossetians

from

> a Georgian offensive.

>

> It's amazing otherwise sensible people can't comprehend this,

especially

> when they have no opinion (it seems) on Poland agreeing to host US

> missiles in their borders right beside Russia's border. Imagine Russia

> made a deal with Canada to host missiles beside Michigan? The hue and

> cry would be ceaseless in the US media. But Russia protecting ethnic

> Russian folks 100 miles outside their own border? What bullies they

> are!! How imperialistic! They must be castigated!

>

> Give me a break.

>

> -Oliver

>

>

> jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:

>> Presumably you think JFK's "ich bin ein Berliner" was

also stupid?

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> <gathering at misera.net>

>> Sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:20

>> Subject: Re: [kj] (OT)Why haven't the Left got Georgia on their

minds?

>>

>> McCain's comment was one of the most stupid things I've ever

heard

>> uttered by a pol. And that's saying something.

>>

>> No, McCain -- I'm an AMERICAN, thank you very much.

>>

>> K.W.

>

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