[kj] Dutch
ade
ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk
Fri Oct 31 16:40:45 EDT 2008
LOL - Metal up yer arse!!!!
I heard brown was a fave colour for Aussie's, so had to ask...
And so is dealt the killing blow!
-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan
Sent: 31 October 2008 09:49
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch
No way man, alvays haff I been into da METAL man, so of course it's being
BLACK.
Vouch!!
> Totally ;)
>
> Is brown your favourite colour?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan
> Sent: 30 October 2008 07:02
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch
>
>
> That's such a typical white male pommy thing to say.
>
>> Maybe the need to categorise is a by-product of how our brains work?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
>> Behalf Of folk devil
>> Sent: 29 October 2008 17:29
>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch
>>
>>
>> Nationality is a myth.
>> It just keeps you neat and tidy in your box, even when it cannot
>> represent
>> every Culture contained inside.
>>
>>
>> ""
>>
>>> From: karen.weil at sddt.com
>>> To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net
>>> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:10:34 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch
>>>
>>> OK, Change: Settle down. I say it only in a general sense. And guess
>>> what? I
>>> actually think that about *most* people -- regardless of nationality,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Respectfully,
>>>
>>> k.w.
>>> (open-minded American)
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
>>> <gathering at misera.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:46 AM
>>> Subject: [kj] Dutch
>>>
>>>
>>> > ALL the Dutch are good people?
>>> >
>>> > That seems a simplisitic view...
>>> >
>>> >> From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue,
>>> >> 28 Oct 2008 10:27:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets
>>> >> Below: How We Wait in Europe
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Dank u wel for your input, Jerry. The Dutch are good people
>>> >> (but sorry about your one experience there!) And I
>>> >> couldn't agree with you about judging an entire
>>> >> group/city/nation, etc. based on the actions of a few jerks.
>>> >> It only leads to no good.
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyway, tot ziens!
>>> >>
>>> >> k.w.
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: jerry bodkin
>>> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:48 AM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe
>>> >> Holland is a lovely country and the Dutch are a lovely
>>> >> people, ive been there several times including once for just
>>> >> 12 hours(10 of them in a police cell) but we'll leave
>>> >> that there! France too is a beautiful beautiful place and
>>> >> the people there too are lovely once you make an effort with
>>> >> them. i.e. try at least to speak the language. Give me
>>> >> Europe any day. Too often we judge an entire race on
>>> >> individual behaviour, my God, what must most of the world
>>> >> think of us English. Jelala.
>>> >>
>>> >> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com> To:
>>> >> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net> Date:
>>> >> Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:50 -0700> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice
>>> >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > Hi,
>>> >> Change:> > Appreciate your thoughts on Belgium;
>>> >> it's a fine place. Germany also offers > so much, and
>>> >> has a very strong avant-guarde scene.> However, I have to
>>> >> take issue with your comments about the Dutch and >
>>> >> Europe. If anything, the Dutch have a totally different
>>> >> attitude when it > comes to languages; that's why so
>>> >> many of them speak three or four of them. > Whatever
>>> >> differences they may have with their European neighbors; I
>>> >> really > don't think the English issue plays a great
>>> >> role.> And while Paris is outrageously expensive (I was
>>> >> there in May; and believe > me, it was no fun coming from
>>> >> a country where the currency is in the > toilet!), I
>>> >> really can't agree with your observations about the
>>> >> French, > either. (Although I will concur about their
>>> >> love of Wire!)> But at any rate, enjoy travelling -- veel
>>> >> plezier, as the Dutch say!> > Groetjes,> >
>>> >> k.w.> > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
>>> >> "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>
>>> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
>>> >> band!)" > <gathering at misera.net>> Sent:
>>> >> Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:53 AM> Subject: [kj] Nice
>>> >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > > > How
>>> >> nice it was to escape this ever more petty joke of a nation,
>>> >> occupied > > as it has been by the USA since WW2. If
>>> >> you want to get away from this > > rotten island then
>>> >> a great place to go is Belgium. Its not too far by > >
>>> >> coach through the tunnel. Brussels is beautiful. The streets
>>> >> smell of > > coffee and chocolate, the people are
>>> >> jolly and kind and there is great art > > everywhere.
>>> >> No wonder Colin and Malka made it their home. There are also
>>> >> > > lots of Belgians with little noses straight out of
>>> >> a Tintin book. The food > > and beer are amazing. I
>>> >> thought Brussels was wonderful but then I made it > >
>>> >> to Ghent and was pretty damn glad the trams had been aborted
>>> >> by a flower > > festival because I walked along the
>>> >> canal to get back to the station and > > realised that
>>> >> this is architecturally the most beautiful city I have seen.
>>> >> > > I haven't made it to Prague yet though!
>>> >> Antwerp looks like a low rent > > Barcelona copy, in
>>> >> the same way Manchester tries to be European but always >
>>> >> > ends up looking like> > a post-industrial dump.
>>> >> Tilberg is very boxy but the people were partying > >
>>> >> hard and late and the Dutch all seem to think the rest of
>>> >> Europe is crap > > just because they don't all
>>> >> speak perfect English! "Those crazy Dutch!" >
>>> >> > said Lewis but I can't remember why. Maybe it was
>>> >> something to do with the > > hotel WIRE rejected in
>>> >> Tilburg. Margaret the guitarist said it was so > >
>>> >> grotty she didn't even want to put her bag down in it
>>> >> let alone sleep in > > it!> >> > Berlin is
>>> >> a great place to explore, full of impressive sites and large
>>> >> > > enough to spend years there I'd warrant.
>>> >> Tiergarten is the largest and > > most lovely park
>>> >> I've ever strolled through. German venues also make a
>>> >> > > mockery of British ones in terms of the sound.>
>>> >> >> > Strasbourg has a fine market where I found a
>>> >> sabre for a mere twenty > > euros, a light sabre for
>>> >> two euros and a tiny plastic Obelix for twenty > >
>>> >> cents. Lewis loves the trams, but the modern art gallery,
>>> >> watched over by > > one of Lovecraft's Forgotten
>>> >> Ones, is even better. I spent too long there > > so
>>> >> got to Paris 23 minutes too late. My Cologne friend Dirk
>>> >> from the > > Gathering reckons Strasbourg is cool
>>> >> because of the huge German influence. > > Cancel your
>>> >> order, crossing the border, changing the menu!> >>
>>> >> > The Eyefull tower is good for a stroll but Paris is
>>> >> full of too many slow > > people and the prices are
>>> >> obscene. Jus d'orange? Mai non je pense que je > >
>>> >> WAIT until ich gehe zu Belqigue! Paris hotels are the worst.
>>> >> Unlike > > Germany and Belgium, the beer is worse than
>>> >> Britain. French computer > > keyboards were designed
>>> >> by a retard and the showers go some way to > >
>>> >> explaining why the English have often mocked the French for
>>> >> being > > hygenically challenged. The redeeming
>>> >> feature of the French is that many > > of them seem to
>>> >> really love WIRE and gave the most enthusiastic response
>>> >> > > of any crowds on this tour.> >> >
>>> >> Anyway this was the route of my rail and road trip:>
>>> >> >> > I arrived in beautiful Brussels in the middle
>>> >> of some kind of medieval > > WARDANCE pageant. I had
>>> >> time to visit the city's most mainstream record >
>>> >> > store just opposite Ancienne Belquique which Killing
>>> >> Joke would conquer by > > and by. I was rewarded by
>>> >> finding a copy of one of the few PJ HARVEY > > singles
>>> >> I didn't yet possess, 'A PLACE CALLED HOME.'>
>>> >> >> > After a couple of hours I caught the train to
>>> >> gorgeous Ghent for the WIRE > > gig at Democrazy.>
>>> >> >> > Next day I took trains via Antwerp and a bus
>>> >> NORTH OF THE BORDER to > > Tilburg just in time to
>>> >> catch the seismic riffin' PELICAN and Dutch > >
>>> >> hardcore heroes SEEIN' RED before WIRE blasted off at
>>> >> around 7pm. Later I > > was also entertained by the
>>> >> double breasted PRE and a Satanic black metal > > band
>>> >> who gave the crowd the finger for watching them, all of
>>> >> which was > > unexpected.> >> > On
>>> >> returning to Brussels I witnessed a lovely WIRE gig at La
>>> >> Botanique, a > > venue which could verily call itself
>>> >> NICE STREETS ABOVE if it so desired. > > I struck up
>>> >> conversation with a charming photographer and graphic
>>> >> designer > > called Violette who sent me eight great
>>> >> photos of WIRE from the gig.> >> > After the gig
>>> >> I had to START TO MOVE pretty sharp and jumped on the night
>>> >> > > train where I was entertained by conversation with
>>> >> a former theatre > > director who had just aborted a
>>> >> trip to Turkey. He recommended a trip to > >
>>> >> Tiergarten which proved very good advice. My first police
>>> >> encounter was > > with two cops on the Ostbahnhof
>>> >> platform who took a rather long time > > checking to
>>> >> find out if Interpol have a warrant out on me for listening
>>> >> to > > music in my living room. Berlin is also very
>>> >> cool and well worth a visit > > in its own right, but
>>> >> smells worse than Brussels.> >> > The first
>>> >> night was free before the arrival of KILLING JOKE so I
>>> >> checked > > out the SO36 venue where they and WIRE
>>> >> played, which was immortalised in a > > song on the
>>> >> first KILLING JOKE album. The sound was excellent as are all
>>> >> > > other German venues I've ever been to. The
>>> >> soundman played KILLING JOKE > > before the headline
>>> >> act, a comedy punk trio who weren't very funny but >
>>> >> > probably liked DEVO. We talked after the gig and I run
>>> >> into him again at > > the KILLING JOKE gigs.>
>>> >> >> > After the amazing KILLING JOKE regeneration in
>>> >> Berlin, with Big Paul's > > drum kit illuminated
>>> >> and smoking ritualistically, I planned to head to > >
>>> >> Paris to see them there. The train times were TOO LATE so at
>>> >> the last > > minute I rerouted to Strasbourg for more
>>> >> WIRE and this proved a wise > > choice as the COMET
>>> >> hit very late and I caught the whole set in front of a >
>>> >> > very young and enthusiastic crowd at a festival that
>>> >> went on until 6am. > > Next day my second run in with
>>> >> cops was with two French transport police > > who ask
>>> >> me to wrap up my sword so that it couldn't be seen
>>> >> before I caught > > the train.> >> > Paris
>>> >> next for more WIRE, on a first class train where I started
>>> >> downing > > some of the left over Heineken from last
>>> >> night's rider and upset a French > > idiot who had
>>> >> a tantrum because I couldn't stop belching even when she
>>> >> > > kicked my chair. She complained to the guard and
>>> >> he clearly thought it was > > a bit silly having to
>>> >> ask me not to belch when I couldn't help it. In the >
>>> >> > end she started complaining I was playing the BUTTHOLE
>>> >> SURFERS too loud on > > my headphones and he came
>>> >> back, again embarrassed, to ask me to turn it > >
>>> >> down. Then she had a stroke of genius and moved to another
>>> >> seat. Perhaps > > its a good job the sword was
>>> >> wrapped!> > If you ever feel like going to Paris my
>>> >> advice is don't bother. Go in a > > cafe that
>>> >> advertises coffee for a Euro and they greasy waiters will
>>> >> > > chearge you five.> >> > It was nice to
>>> >> speed back to Belgium and Brussels which was already >
>>> >> > seeming like a second home. I found many cool CDs in
>>> >> the shops, including > > quite appropriately
>>> >> COMMERCIAL SUICIDE. Being there for three days I had >
>>> >> > plenty of time to explore and each day surpassed the
>>> >> previous one. I met > > so many great people in
>>> >> Belgium I felt like moving there!> >> > My
>>> >> favourite songs to listen to on a speeding train were>
>>> >> > KILLING JOKE - Pssyche> > WIRE - Drill (DJ
>>> >> Fuckoff Version)> > oh dear the moderate Craig
>>> >> won't like that will he?> > KILLING JOKE -
>>> >> Timewave> > PJ HARVEY - Taut> > EINSTURZENDE
>>> >> NEUBAUTEN - Haus Der Lauge> > BAND OF SUSANS - Guitar
>>> >> Trio> > KILLING JOKE - Empire Song> > WIRE -
>>> >> Germ Ship> > WIRE - Spent> > BUTTHOLE SURFERS -
>>> >> Who was in my room last night?> >> > Back home
>>> >> after another awesome double dose of the mighty JOKE I had a
>>> >> day > > of rest and didn't even have time enough
>>> >> to notice what a terminal dump > > Manchester is
>>> >> because the MELVINS wheeled in to rock the town and give me
>>> >> > > a chance to catch up with lots of old friends.
>>> >> That is the great thing > > about Manchester, lots of
>>> >> good gigs.> >> > Next day I was off again to
>>> >> London for the KILLING JOKE homecoming and as > >
>>> >> chaotic synchronicity would have it, THALIA ZEDEK and her
>>> >> band began their > > tour the very next day. She's
>>> >> a brilliant intense songwriter. Check her > > out
>>> >> while you still can...> >> >
>>> >> www.myspace.com/thaliazedek> >> > Her tour ends
>>> >> on October 23 at La Botanique in Brussels!> >> >
>>> >> I went to all the THALIA ZEDEK BAND gigs in England and
>>> >> after the best one > > at Hull Adelphi I had to zoom
>>> >> down to Cheam in Surrey for my younger > >
>>> >> sister's wedding. The lavish reception was held on a
>>> >> Territorial Army base > > but my uncles and I resisted
>>> >> the temptation to hijack a tank. One thing I > > gave
>>> >> her was a copy of 'UH HUH HER' by PJ HARVEY as
>>> >> "The Desperate Kingdom > > of Love"
>>> >> couldn't really be a better song to wish for a long
>>> >> loving > > marriage, at the end of this burning
>>> >> world.> >> > Then I went home to transcribe
>>> >> interesting interviews with MAGAZINE and > > WIRE,
>>> >> blow up some more stereo speakers, and wait for civilization
>>> >> to fall > > in its grave.> >> >
>>> >> ACCELERATE> > ACCELERATE> >> >>
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