[kj] Dutch

Brendan bq at soundgardener.co.nz
Fri Oct 31 05:49:04 EDT 2008


No way man, alvays haff I been into da METAL man, so of course it's being
BLACK.

Vouch!!


> Totally ;)

>

> Is brown your favourite colour?

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan

> Sent: 30 October 2008 07:02

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

>

>

> That's such a typical white male pommy thing to say.

>

>> Maybe the need to categorise is a by-product of how our brains work?

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On

>> Behalf Of folk devil

>> Sent: 29 October 2008 17:29

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

>>

>>

>> Nationality is a myth.

>> It just keeps you neat and tidy in your box, even when it cannot

>> represent

>> every Culture contained inside.

>>

>>

>> ""

>>

>>> From: karen.weil at sddt.com

>>> To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net

>>> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:10:34 -0700

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

>>>

>>> OK, Change: Settle down. I say it only in a general sense. And guess

>>> what? I

>>> actually think that about *most* people -- regardless of nationality,

>>> etc.

>>>

>>> Respectfully,

>>>

>>> k.w.

>>> (open-minded American)

>>>

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

>>> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"

>>> <gathering at misera.net>

>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:46 AM

>>> Subject: [kj] Dutch

>>>

>>>

>>> > ALL the Dutch are good people?

>>> >

>>> > That seems a simplisitic view...

>>> >

>>> >> From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue,

>>> >> 28 Oct 2008 10:27:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets

>>> >> Below: How We Wait in Europe

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >>

>>> >> Dank u wel for your input, Jerry. The Dutch are good people

>>> >> (but sorry about your one experience there!) And I

>>> >> couldn't agree with you about judging an entire

>>> >> group/city/nation, etc. based on the actions of a few jerks.

>>> >> It only leads to no good.

>>> >>

>>> >> Anyway, tot ziens!

>>> >>

>>> >> k.w.

>>> >>

>>> >> ----- Original Message -----

>>> >> From: jerry bodkin

>>> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:48 AM

>>> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe

>>> >> Holland is a lovely country and the Dutch are a lovely

>>> >> people, ive been there several times including once for just

>>> >> 12 hours(10 of them in a police cell) but we'll leave

>>> >> that there! France too is a beautiful beautiful place and

>>> >> the people there too are lovely once you make an effort with

>>> >> them. i.e. try at least to speak the language. Give me

>>> >> Europe any day. Too often we judge an entire race on

>>> >> individual behaviour, my God, what must most of the world

>>> >> think of us English. Jelala.

>>> >>

>>> >> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com> To:

>>> >> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net> Date:

>>> >> Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:50 -0700> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice

>>> >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > Hi,

>>> >> Change:> > Appreciate your thoughts on Belgium;

>>> >> it's a fine place. Germany also offers > so much, and

>>> >> has a very strong avant-guarde scene.> However, I have to

>>> >> take issue with your comments about the Dutch and >

>>> >> Europe. If anything, the Dutch have a totally different

>>> >> attitude when it > comes to languages; that's why so

>>> >> many of them speak three or four of them. > Whatever

>>> >> differences they may have with their European neighbors; I

>>> >> really > don't think the English issue plays a great

>>> >> role.> And while Paris is outrageously expensive (I was

>>> >> there in May; and believe > me, it was no fun coming from

>>> >> a country where the currency is in the > toilet!), I

>>> >> really can't agree with your observations about the

>>> >> French, > either. (Although I will concur about their

>>> >> love of Wire!)> But at any rate, enjoy travelling -- veel

>>> >> plezier, as the Dutch say!> > Groetjes,> >

>>> >> k.w.> > ----- Original Message ----- > From:

>>> >> "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>

>>> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>>> >> band!)" > <gathering at misera.net>> Sent:

>>> >> Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:53 AM> Subject: [kj] Nice

>>> >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > > > How

>>> >> nice it was to escape this ever more petty joke of a nation,

>>> >> occupied > > as it has been by the USA since WW2. If

>>> >> you want to get away from this > > rotten island then

>>> >> a great place to go is Belgium. Its not too far by > >

>>> >> coach through the tunnel. Brussels is beautiful. The streets

>>> >> smell of > > coffee and chocolate, the people are

>>> >> jolly and kind and there is great art > > everywhere.

>>> >> No wonder Colin and Malka made it their home. There are also

>>> >> > > lots of Belgians with little noses straight out of

>>> >> a Tintin book. The food > > and beer are amazing. I

>>> >> thought Brussels was wonderful but then I made it > >

>>> >> to Ghent and was pretty damn glad the trams had been aborted

>>> >> by a flower > > festival because I walked along the

>>> >> canal to get back to the station and > > realised that

>>> >> this is architecturally the most beautiful city I have seen.

>>> >> > > I haven't made it to Prague yet though!

>>> >> Antwerp looks like a low rent > > Barcelona copy, in

>>> >> the same way Manchester tries to be European but always >

>>> >> > ends up looking like> > a post-industrial dump.

>>> >> Tilberg is very boxy but the people were partying > >

>>> >> hard and late and the Dutch all seem to think the rest of

>>> >> Europe is crap > > just because they don't all

>>> >> speak perfect English! "Those crazy Dutch!" >

>>> >> > said Lewis but I can't remember why. Maybe it was

>>> >> something to do with the > > hotel WIRE rejected in

>>> >> Tilburg. Margaret the guitarist said it was so > >

>>> >> grotty she didn't even want to put her bag down in it

>>> >> let alone sleep in > > it!> >> > Berlin is

>>> >> a great place to explore, full of impressive sites and large

>>> >> > > enough to spend years there I'd warrant.

>>> >> Tiergarten is the largest and > > most lovely park

>>> >> I've ever strolled through. German venues also make a

>>> >> > > mockery of British ones in terms of the sound.>

>>> >> >> > Strasbourg has a fine market where I found a

>>> >> sabre for a mere twenty > > euros, a light sabre for

>>> >> two euros and a tiny plastic Obelix for twenty > >

>>> >> cents. Lewis loves the trams, but the modern art gallery,

>>> >> watched over by > > one of Lovecraft's Forgotten

>>> >> Ones, is even better. I spent too long there > > so

>>> >> got to Paris 23 minutes too late. My Cologne friend Dirk

>>> >> from the > > Gathering reckons Strasbourg is cool

>>> >> because of the huge German influence. > > Cancel your

>>> >> order, crossing the border, changing the menu!> >>

>>> >> > The Eyefull tower is good for a stroll but Paris is

>>> >> full of too many slow > > people and the prices are

>>> >> obscene. Jus d'orange? Mai non je pense que je > >

>>> >> WAIT until ich gehe zu Belqigue! Paris hotels are the worst.

>>> >> Unlike > > Germany and Belgium, the beer is worse than

>>> >> Britain. French computer > > keyboards were designed

>>> >> by a retard and the showers go some way to > >

>>> >> explaining why the English have often mocked the French for

>>> >> being > > hygenically challenged. The redeeming

>>> >> feature of the French is that many > > of them seem to

>>> >> really love WIRE and gave the most enthusiastic response

>>> >> > > of any crowds on this tour.> >> >

>>> >> Anyway this was the route of my rail and road trip:>

>>> >> >> > I arrived in beautiful Brussels in the middle

>>> >> of some kind of medieval > > WARDANCE pageant. I had

>>> >> time to visit the city's most mainstream record >

>>> >> > store just opposite Ancienne Belquique which Killing

>>> >> Joke would conquer by > > and by. I was rewarded by

>>> >> finding a copy of one of the few PJ HARVEY > > singles

>>> >> I didn't yet possess, 'A PLACE CALLED HOME.'>

>>> >> >> > After a couple of hours I caught the train to

>>> >> gorgeous Ghent for the WIRE > > gig at Democrazy.>

>>> >> >> > Next day I took trains via Antwerp and a bus

>>> >> NORTH OF THE BORDER to > > Tilburg just in time to

>>> >> catch the seismic riffin' PELICAN and Dutch > >

>>> >> hardcore heroes SEEIN' RED before WIRE blasted off at

>>> >> around 7pm. Later I > > was also entertained by the

>>> >> double breasted PRE and a Satanic black metal > > band

>>> >> who gave the crowd the finger for watching them, all of

>>> >> which was > > unexpected.> >> > On

>>> >> returning to Brussels I witnessed a lovely WIRE gig at La

>>> >> Botanique, a > > venue which could verily call itself

>>> >> NICE STREETS ABOVE if it so desired. > > I struck up

>>> >> conversation with a charming photographer and graphic

>>> >> designer > > called Violette who sent me eight great

>>> >> photos of WIRE from the gig.> >> > After the gig

>>> >> I had to START TO MOVE pretty sharp and jumped on the night

>>> >> > > train where I was entertained by conversation with

>>> >> a former theatre > > director who had just aborted a

>>> >> trip to Turkey. He recommended a trip to > >

>>> >> Tiergarten which proved very good advice. My first police

>>> >> encounter was > > with two cops on the Ostbahnhof

>>> >> platform who took a rather long time > > checking to

>>> >> find out if Interpol have a warrant out on me for listening

>>> >> to > > music in my living room. Berlin is also very

>>> >> cool and well worth a visit > > in its own right, but

>>> >> smells worse than Brussels.> >> > The first

>>> >> night was free before the arrival of KILLING JOKE so I

>>> >> checked > > out the SO36 venue where they and WIRE

>>> >> played, which was immortalised in a > > song on the

>>> >> first KILLING JOKE album. The sound was excellent as are all

>>> >> > > other German venues I've ever been to. The

>>> >> soundman played KILLING JOKE > > before the headline

>>> >> act, a comedy punk trio who weren't very funny but >

>>> >> > probably liked DEVO. We talked after the gig and I run

>>> >> into him again at > > the KILLING JOKE gigs.>

>>> >> >> > After the amazing KILLING JOKE regeneration in

>>> >> Berlin, with Big Paul's > > drum kit illuminated

>>> >> and smoking ritualistically, I planned to head to > >

>>> >> Paris to see them there. The train times were TOO LATE so at

>>> >> the last > > minute I rerouted to Strasbourg for more

>>> >> WIRE and this proved a wise > > choice as the COMET

>>> >> hit very late and I caught the whole set in front of a >

>>> >> > very young and enthusiastic crowd at a festival that

>>> >> went on until 6am. > > Next day my second run in with

>>> >> cops was with two French transport police > > who ask

>>> >> me to wrap up my sword so that it couldn't be seen

>>> >> before I caught > > the train.> >> > Paris

>>> >> next for more WIRE, on a first class train where I started

>>> >> downing > > some of the left over Heineken from last

>>> >> night's rider and upset a French > > idiot who had

>>> >> a tantrum because I couldn't stop belching even when she

>>> >> > > kicked my chair. She complained to the guard and

>>> >> he clearly thought it was > > a bit silly having to

>>> >> ask me not to belch when I couldn't help it. In the >

>>> >> > end she started complaining I was playing the BUTTHOLE

>>> >> SURFERS too loud on > > my headphones and he came

>>> >> back, again embarrassed, to ask me to turn it > >

>>> >> down. Then she had a stroke of genius and moved to another

>>> >> seat. Perhaps > > its a good job the sword was

>>> >> wrapped!> > If you ever feel like going to Paris my

>>> >> advice is don't bother. Go in a > > cafe that

>>> >> advertises coffee for a Euro and they greasy waiters will

>>> >> > > chearge you five.> >> > It was nice to

>>> >> speed back to Belgium and Brussels which was already >

>>> >> > seeming like a second home. I found many cool CDs in

>>> >> the shops, including > > quite appropriately

>>> >> COMMERCIAL SUICIDE. Being there for three days I had >

>>> >> > plenty of time to explore and each day surpassed the

>>> >> previous one. I met > > so many great people in

>>> >> Belgium I felt like moving there!> >> > My

>>> >> favourite songs to listen to on a speeding train were>

>>> >> > KILLING JOKE - Pssyche> > WIRE - Drill (DJ

>>> >> Fuckoff Version)> > oh dear the moderate Craig

>>> >> won't like that will he?> > KILLING JOKE -

>>> >> Timewave> > PJ HARVEY - Taut> > EINSTURZENDE

>>> >> NEUBAUTEN - Haus Der Lauge> > BAND OF SUSANS - Guitar

>>> >> Trio> > KILLING JOKE - Empire Song> > WIRE -

>>> >> Germ Ship> > WIRE - Spent> > BUTTHOLE SURFERS -

>>> >> Who was in my room last night?> >> > Back home

>>> >> after another awesome double dose of the mighty JOKE I had a

>>> >> day > > of rest and didn't even have time enough

>>> >> to notice what a terminal dump > > Manchester is

>>> >> because the MELVINS wheeled in to rock the town and give me

>>> >> > > a chance to catch up with lots of old friends.

>>> >> That is the great thing > > about Manchester, lots of

>>> >> good gigs.> >> > Next day I was off again to

>>> >> London for the KILLING JOKE homecoming and as > >

>>> >> chaotic synchronicity would have it, THALIA ZEDEK and her

>>> >> band began their > > tour the very next day. She's

>>> >> a brilliant intense songwriter. Check her > > out

>>> >> while you still can...> >> >

>>> >> www.myspace.com/thaliazedek> >> > Her tour ends

>>> >> on October 23 at La Botanique in Brussels!> >> >

>>> >> I went to all the THALIA ZEDEK BAND gigs in England and

>>> >> after the best one > > at Hull Adelphi I had to zoom

>>> >> down to Cheam in Surrey for my younger > >

>>> >> sister's wedding. The lavish reception was held on a

>>> >> Territorial Army base > > but my uncles and I resisted

>>> >> the temptation to hijack a tank. One thing I > > gave

>>> >> her was a copy of 'UH HUH HER' by PJ HARVEY as

>>> >> "The Desperate Kingdom > > of Love"

>>> >> couldn't really be a better song to wish for a long

>>> >> loving > > marriage, at the end of this burning

>>> >> world.> >> > Then I went home to transcribe

>>> >> interesting interviews with MAGAZINE and > > WIRE,

>>> >> blow up some more stereo speakers, and wait for civilization

>>> >> to fall > > in its grave.> >> >

>>> >> ACCELERATE> > ACCELERATE> >> >>

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