[kj] Dutch

[Brendan]

I was pigeon holing Ade (oo-er)...in response to him saying that we're
wired to pigeon-hole...


>

> Are you addressing me or Ade, Brendan?

> Here's something written by a 'Black Pommy'..

> http://www.routledge-ny.com/books/There-Aint-No-Black-in-the-Union-Jack-isbn9780415289818

>> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:01:30 +1300> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To:

>> gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch> > That's such a typical

>> white male pommy thing to say.> > > Maybe the need to categorise is a

>> by-product of how our brains work?> >> > -----Original Message-----> >

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On> > Behalf Of folk devil> > Sent:

>> 29 October 2008 17:29> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the

>> band!)> > Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch> >> >> > Nationality is a myth.> > It

>> just keeps you neat and tidy in your box, even when it cannot represent>

>> > every Culture contained inside.> >> >> > ""> >> >> From:

>> karen.weil at sddt.com> >> To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk;

>> gathering at misera.net> >> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:10:34 -0700> >>

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch> >>> >> OK, Change: Settle down. I say it only

>> in a general sense. And guess> >> what? I> >> actually think that about

>> *most* people -- regardless of nationality,> >> etc.> >>> >>

>> Respectfully,> >>> >> k.w.> >> (open-minded American)> >>> >> -----

>> Original Message -----> >> From: "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>

>> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"> >>

>> <gathering at misera.net>> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:46 AM> >>

>> Subject: [kj] Dutch> >>> >>> >> > ALL the Dutch are good people?> >> >>

>> >> > That seems a simplisitic view...> >> >> >> >> From:

>> karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue,> >> >> 28 Oct 2008

>> 10:27:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets> >> >> Below: How We Wait

>> in Europe> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> Dank u wel for your input, Jerry.

>> The Dutch are good people> >> >> (but sorry about your one experience

>> there!) And I> >> >> couldn't agree with you about judging an entire> >>

>> >> group/city/nation, etc. based on the actions of a few jerks.> >> >>

>> It only leads to no good.> >> >>> >> >> Anyway, tot ziens!> >> >>> >> >>

>> k.w.> >> >>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----> >> >> From: jerry

>> bodkin> >> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> >>

>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:48 AM> >> >> Subject: Re: [kj]

>> Nice Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> >> >> Holland is a lovely

>> country and the Dutch are a lovely> >> >> people, ive been there several

>> times including once for just> >> >> 12 hours(10 of them in a police

>> cell) but we'll leave> >> >> that there! France too is a beautiful

>> beautiful place and> >> >> the people there too are lovely once you make

>> an effort with> >> >> them. i.e. try at least to speak the language.

>> Give me> >> >> Europe any day. Too often we judge an entire race on> >>

>> >> individual behaviour, my God, what must most of the world> >> >>

>> think of us English. Jelala.> >> >>> >> >> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com>

>> To:> >> >> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net> Date:> >>

>> >> Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:50 -0700> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice> >> >>

>> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > Hi,> >> >> Change:> > Appreciate

>> your thoughts on Belgium;> >> >> it's a fine place. Germany also offers

>> > so much, and> >> >> has a very strong avant-guarde scene.> However, I

>> have to> >> >> take issue with your comments about the Dutch and >> >>

>> >> Europe. If anything, the Dutch have a totally different> >> >>

>> attitude when it > comes to languages; that's why so> >> >> many of them

>> speak three or four of them. > Whatever> >> >> differences they may have

>> with their European neighbors; I> >> >> really > don't think the English

>> issue plays a great> >> >> role.> And while Paris is outrageously

>> expensive (I was> >> >> there in May; and believe > me, it was no fun

>> coming from> >> >> a country where the currency is in the > toilet!), I>

>> >> >> really can't agree with your observations about the> >> >> French,

>> > either. (Although I will concur about their> >> >> love of Wire!)> But

>> at any rate, enjoy travelling -- veel> >> >> plezier, as the Dutch say!>

>> > Groetjes,> >> >> >> k.w.> > ----- Original Message ----- > From:> >>

>> >> "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>> >> >> To: "A list about all

>> things Killing Joke (the> >> >> band!)" > <gathering at misera.net>> Sent:>

>> >> >> Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:53 AM> Subject: [kj] Nice> >> >>

>> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > > > How> >> >> nice it was to

>> escape this ever more petty joke of a nation,> >> >> occupied > > as it

>> has been by the USA since WW2. If> >> >> you want to get away from this

>> > > rotten island then> >> >> a great place to go is Belgium. Its not

>> too far by > >> >> >> coach through the tunnel. Brussels is beautiful.

>> The streets> >> >> smell of > > coffee and chocolate, the people are> >>

>> >> jolly and kind and there is great art > > everywhere.> >> >> No

>> wonder Colin and Malka made it their home. There are also> >> >> > >

>> lots of Belgians with little noses straight out of> >> >> a Tintin book.

>> The food > > and beer are amazing. I> >> >> thought Brussels was

>> wonderful but then I made it > >> >> >> to Ghent and was pretty damn

>> glad the trams had been aborted> >> >> by a flower > > festival because

>> I walked along the> >> >> canal to get back to the station and > >

>> realised that> >> >> this is architecturally the most beautiful city I

>> have seen.> >> >> > > I haven't made it to Prague yet though!> >> >>

>> Antwerp looks like a low rent > > Barcelona copy, in> >> >> the same way

>> Manchester tries to be European but always >> >> >> > ends up looking

>> like> > a post-industrial dump.> >> >> Tilberg is very boxy but the

>> people were partying > >> >> >> hard and late and the Dutch all seem to

>> think the rest of> >> >> Europe is crap > > just because they don't all>

>> >> >> speak perfect English! "Those crazy Dutch!" >> >> >> > said Lewis

>> but I can't remember why. Maybe it was> >> >> something to do with the >

>> > hotel WIRE rejected in> >> >> Tilburg. Margaret the guitarist said it

>> was so > >> >> >> grotty she didn't even want to put her bag down in it>

>> >> >> let alone sleep in > > it!> >> > Berlin is> >> >> a great place to

>> explore, full of impressive sites and large> >> >> > > enough to spend

>> years there I'd warrant.> >> >> Tiergarten is the largest and > > most

>> lovely park> >> >> I've ever strolled through. German venues also make

>> a> >> >> > > mockery of British ones in terms of the sound.>> >> >> >> >

>> Strasbourg has a fine market where I found a> >> >> sabre for a mere

>> twenty > > euros, a light sabre for> >> >> two euros and a tiny plastic

>> Obelix for twenty > >> >> >> cents. Lewis loves the trams, but the

>> modern art gallery,> >> >> watched over by > > one of Lovecraft's

>> Forgotten> >> >> Ones, is even better. I spent too long there > > so> >>

>> >> got to Paris 23 minutes too late. My Cologne friend Dirk> >> >> from

>> the > > Gathering reckons Strasbourg is cool> >> >> because of the huge

>> German influence. > > Cancel your> >> >> order, crossing the border,

>> changing the menu!> >>> >> >> > The Eyefull tower is good for a stroll

>> but Paris is> >> >> full of too many slow > > people and the prices are>

>> >> >> obscene. Jus d'orange? Mai non je pense que je > >> >> >> WAIT

>> until ich gehe zu Belqigue! Paris hotels are the worst.> >> >> Unlike >

>> > Germany and Belgium, the beer is worse than> >> >> Britain. French

>> computer > > keyboards were designed> >> >> by a retard and the showers

>> go some way to > >> >> >> explaining why the English have often mocked

>> the French for> >> >> being > > hygenically challenged. The redeeming>

>> >> >> feature of the French is that many > > of them seem to> >> >>

>> really love WIRE and gave the most enthusiastic response> >> >> > > of

>> any crowds on this tour.> >> >> >> >> Anyway this was the route of my

>> rail and road trip:>> >> >> >> > I arrived in beautiful Brussels in the

>> middle> >> >> of some kind of medieval > > WARDANCE pageant. I had> >>

>> >> time to visit the city's most mainstream record >> >> >> > store just

>> opposite Ancienne Belquique which Killing> >> >> Joke would conquer by >

>> > and by. I was rewarded by> >> >> finding a copy of one of the few PJ

>> HARVEY > > singles> >> >> I didn't yet possess, 'A PLACE CALLED HOME.'>>

>> >> >> >> > After a couple of hours I caught the train to> >> >> gorgeous

>> Ghent for the WIRE > > gig at Democrazy.>> >> >> >> > Next day I took

>> trains via Antwerp and a bus> >> >> NORTH OF THE BORDER to > > Tilburg

>> just in time to> >> >> catch the seismic riffin' PELICAN and Dutch > >>

>> >> >> hardcore heroes SEEIN' RED before WIRE blasted off at> >> >>

>> around 7pm. Later I > > was also entertained by the> >> >> double

>> breasted PRE and a Satanic black metal > > band> >> >> who gave the

>> crowd the finger for watching them, all of> >> >> which was > >

>> unexpected.> >> > On> >> >> returning to Brussels I witnessed a lovely

>> WIRE gig at La> >> >> Botanique, a > > venue which could verily call

>> itself> >> >> NICE STREETS ABOVE if it so desired. > > I struck up> >>

>> >> conversation with a charming photographer and graphic> >> >> designer

>> > > called Violette who sent me eight great> >> >> photos of WIRE from

>> the gig.> >> > After the gig> >> >> I had to START TO MOVE pretty sharp

>> and jumped on the night> >> >> > > train where I was entertained by

>> conversation with> >> >> a former theatre > > director who had just

>> aborted a> >> >> trip to Turkey. He recommended a trip to > >> >> >>

>> Tiergarten which proved very good advice. My first police> >> >>

>> encounter was > > with two cops on the Ostbahnhof> >> >> platform who

>> took a rather long time > > checking to> >> >> find out if Interpol have

>> a warrant out on me for listening> >> >> to > > music in my living room.

>> Berlin is also very> >> >> cool and well worth a visit > > in its own

>> right, but> >> >> smells worse than Brussels.> >> > The first> >> >>

>> night was free before the arrival of KILLING JOKE so I> >> >> checked >

>> > out the SO36 venue where they and WIRE> >> >> played, which was

>> immortalised in a > > song on the> >> >> first KILLING JOKE album. The

>> sound was excellent as are all> >> >> > > other German venues I've ever

>> been to. The> >> >> soundman played KILLING JOKE > > before the

>> headline> >> >> act, a comedy punk trio who weren't very funny but >> >>

>> >> > probably liked DEVO. We talked after the gig and I run> >> >> into

>> him again at > > the KILLING JOKE gigs.>> >> >> >> > After the amazing

>> KILLING JOKE regeneration in> >> >> Berlin, with Big Paul's > > drum kit

>> illuminated> >> >> and smoking ritualistically, I planned to head to >

>> >> >> >> Paris to see them there. The train times were TOO LATE so at>

>> >> >> the last > > minute I rerouted to Strasbourg for more> >> >> WIRE

>> and this proved a wise > > choice as the COMET> >> >> hit very late and

>> I caught the whole set in front of a >> >> >> > very young and

>> enthusiastic crowd at a festival that> >> >> went on until 6am. > > Next

>> day my second run in with> >> >> cops was with two French transport

>> police > > who ask> >> >> me to wrap up my sword so that it couldn't be

>> seen> >> >> before I caught > > the train.> >> > Paris> >> >> next for

>> more WIRE, on a first class train where I started> >> >> downing > >

>> some of the left over Heineken from last> >> >> night's rider and upset

>> a French > > idiot who had> >> >> a tantrum because I couldn't stop

>> belching even when she> >> >> > > kicked my chair. She complained to the

>> guard and> >> >> he clearly thought it was > > a bit silly having to> >>

>> >> ask me not to belch when I couldn't help it. In the >> >> >> > end

>> she started complaining I was playing the BUTTHOLE> >> >> SURFERS too

>> loud on > > my headphones and he came> >> >> back, again embarrassed, to

>> ask me to turn it > >> >> >> down. Then she had a stroke of genius and

>> moved to another> >> >> seat. Perhaps > > its a good job the sword was>

>> >> >> wrapped!> > If you ever feel like going to Paris my> >> >> advice

>> is don't bother. Go in a > > cafe that> >> >> advertises coffee for a

>> Euro and they greasy waiters will> >> >> > > chearge you five.> >> > It

>> was nice to> >> >> speed back to Belgium and Brussels which was already

>> >> >> >> > seeming like a second home. I found many cool CDs in> >> >>

>> the shops, including > > quite appropriately> >> >> COMMERCIAL SUICIDE.

>> Being there for three days I had >> >> >> > plenty of time to explore

>> and each day surpassed the> >> >> previous one. I met > > so many great

>> people in> >> >> Belgium I felt like moving there!> >> > My> >> >>

>> favourite songs to listen to on a speeding train were>> >> >> > KILLING

>> JOKE - Pssyche> > WIRE - Drill (DJ> >> >> Fuckoff Version)> > oh dear

>> the moderate Craig> >> >> won't like that will he?> > KILLING JOKE -> >>

>> >> Timewave> > PJ HARVEY - Taut> > EINSTURZENDE> >> >> NEUBAUTEN - Haus

>> Der Lauge> > BAND OF SUSANS - Guitar> >> >> Trio> > KILLING JOKE -

>> Empire Song> > WIRE -> >> >> Germ Ship> > WIRE - Spent> > BUTTHOLE

>> SURFERS -> >> >> Who was in my room last night?> >> > Back home> >> >>

>> after another awesome double dose of the mighty JOKE I had a> >> >> day

>> > > of rest and didn't even have time enough> >> >> to notice what a

>> terminal dump > > Manchester is> >> >> because the MELVINS wheeled in to

>> rock the town and give me> >> >> > > a chance to catch up with lots of

>> old friends.> >> >> That is the great thing > > about Manchester, lots

>> of> >> >> good gigs.> >> > Next day I was off again to> >> >> London for

>> the KILLING JOKE homecoming and as > >> >> >> chaotic synchronicity

>> would have it, THALIA ZEDEK and her> >> >> band began their > > tour the

>> very next day. She's> >> >> a brilliant intense songwriter. Check her >

>> > out> >> >> while you still can...> >> >> >> >>

>> www.myspace.com/thaliazedek> >> > Her tour ends> >> >> on October 23 at

>> La Botanique in Brussels!> >> >> >> >> I went to all the THALIA ZEDEK

>> BAND gigs in England and> >> >> after the best one > > at Hull Adelphi I

>> had to zoom> >> >> down to Cheam in Surrey for my younger > >> >> >>

>> sister's wedding. The lavish reception was held on a> >> >> Territorial

>> Army base > > but my uncles and I resisted> >> >> the temptation to

>> hijack a tank. One thing I > > gave> >> >> her was a copy of 'UH HUH

>> HER' by PJ HARVEY as> >> >> "The Desperate Kingdom > > of Love"> >> >>

>> couldn't really be a better song to wish for a long> >> >> loving > >

>> marriage, at the end of this burning> >> >> world.> >> > Then I went

>> home to transcribe> >> >> interesting interviews with MAGAZINE and > >

>> WIRE,> >> >> blow up some more stereo speakers, and wait for

>> civilization> >> >> to fall > > in its grave.> >> >> >> >> ACCELERATE> >

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