[kj] Dutch

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Maybe the need to categorise is a by-product of how our brains work?

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil
Sent: 29 October 2008 17:29
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch


Nationality is a myth.
It just keeps you neat and tidy in your box, even when it cannot represent every Culture contained inside.


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> From: karen.weil at sddt.com

> To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net

> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:10:34 -0700

> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch

> 

> OK, Change: Settle down. I say it only in a general sense. And guess what? I 

> actually think that about *most* people -- regardless of nationality, etc.

> 

> Respectfully,

> 

> k.w.

> (open-minded American)

> 

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" 

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:46 AM

> Subject: [kj] Dutch

> 

> 

> > ALL the Dutch are good people?

> >

> > That seems a simplisitic view...

> >

> >> From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue,

> >> 28 Oct 2008 10:27:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets

> >> Below: How We Wait in Europe

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Dank u wel for your input, Jerry. The Dutch are good people

> >> (but sorry about your one experience there!) And I

> >> couldn't agree with you about judging an entire

> >> group/city/nation, etc. based on the actions of a few jerks.

> >> It only leads to no good.

> >>

> >> Anyway, tot ziens!

> >>

> >> k.w.

> >>

> >> ----- Original Message ----- 

> >> From: jerry bodkin

> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:48 AM

> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe

> >> Holland is a lovely country and the Dutch are a lovely

> >> people, ive been there several times including once for just

> >> 12 hours(10 of them in a police cell) but we'll leave

> >> that there! France too is a beautiful beautiful place and

> >> the people there too are lovely once you make an effort with

> >> them. i.e. try at least to speak the language. Give me

> >> Europe any day. Too often we judge an entire race on

> >> individual behaviour, my God, what must most of the world

> >> think of us English. Jelala.

> >>

> >> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com> To:

> >> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net> Date:

> >> Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:50 -0700> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice

> >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > Hi,

> >> Change:> > Appreciate your thoughts on Belgium;

> >> it's a fine place. Germany also offers > so much, and

> >> has a very strong avant-guarde scene.> However, I have to

> >> take issue with your comments about the Dutch and >

> >> Europe. If anything, the Dutch have a totally different

> >> attitude when it > comes to languages; that's why so

> >> many of them speak three or four of them. > Whatever

> >> differences they may have with their European neighbors; I

> >> really > don't think the English issue plays a great

> >> role.> And while Paris is outrageously expensive (I was

> >> there in May; and believe > me, it was no fun coming from

> >> a country where the currency is in the > toilet!), I

> >> really can't agree with your observations about the

> >> French, > either. (Although I will concur about their

> >> love of Wire!)> But at any rate, enjoy travelling -- veel

> >> plezier, as the Dutch say!> > Groetjes,> >

> >> k.w.> > ----- Original Message ----- > From:

> >> "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>

> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> >> band!)" > <gathering at misera.net>> Sent:

> >> Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:53 AM> Subject: [kj] Nice

> >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > > > How

> >> nice it was to escape this ever more petty joke of a nation,

> >> occupied > > as it has been by the USA since WW2. If

> >> you want to get away from this > > rotten island then

> >> a great place to go is Belgium. Its not too far by > >

> >> coach through the tunnel. Brussels is beautiful. The streets

> >> smell of > > coffee and chocolate, the people are

> >> jolly and kind and there is great art > > everywhere.

> >> No wonder Colin and Malka made it their home. There are also

> >> > > lots of Belgians with little noses straight out of

> >> a Tintin book. The food > > and beer are amazing. I

> >> thought Brussels was wonderful but then I made it > >

> >> to Ghent and was pretty damn glad the trams had been aborted

> >> by a flower > > festival because I walked along the

> >> canal to get back to the station and > > realised that

> >> this is architecturally the most beautiful city I have seen.

> >> > > I haven't made it to Prague yet though!

> >> Antwerp looks like a low rent > > Barcelona copy, in

> >> the same way Manchester tries to be European but always >

> >> > ends up looking like> > a post-industrial dump.

> >> Tilberg is very boxy but the people were partying > >

> >> hard and late and the Dutch all seem to think the rest of

> >> Europe is crap > > just because they don't all

> >> speak perfect English! "Those crazy Dutch!" >

> >> > said Lewis but I can't remember why. Maybe it was

> >> something to do with the > > hotel WIRE rejected in

> >> Tilburg. Margaret the guitarist said it was so > >

> >> grotty she didn't even want to put her bag down in it

> >> let alone sleep in > > it!> >> > Berlin is

> >> a great place to explore, full of impressive sites and large

> >> > > enough to spend years there I'd warrant.

> >> Tiergarten is the largest and > > most lovely park

> >> I've ever strolled through. German venues also make a

> >> > > mockery of British ones in terms of the sound.>

> >> >> > Strasbourg has a fine market where I found a

> >> sabre for a mere twenty > > euros, a light sabre for

> >> two euros and a tiny plastic Obelix for twenty > >

> >> cents. Lewis loves the trams, but the modern art gallery,

> >> watched over by > > one of Lovecraft's Forgotten

> >> Ones, is even better. I spent too long there > > so

> >> got to Paris 23 minutes too late. My Cologne friend Dirk

> >> from the > > Gathering reckons Strasbourg is cool

> >> because of the huge German influence. > > Cancel your

> >> order, crossing the border, changing the menu!> >>

> >> > The Eyefull tower is good for a stroll but Paris is

> >> full of too many slow > > people and the prices are

> >> obscene. Jus d'orange? Mai non je pense que je > >

> >> WAIT until ich gehe zu Belqigue! Paris hotels are the worst.

> >> Unlike > > Germany and Belgium, the beer is worse than

> >> Britain. French computer > > keyboards were designed

> >> by a retard and the showers go some way to > >

> >> explaining why the English have often mocked the French for

> >> being > > hygenically challenged. The redeeming

> >> feature of the French is that many > > of them seem to

> >> really love WIRE and gave the most enthusiastic response

> >> > > of any crowds on this tour.> >> >

> >> Anyway this was the route of my rail and road trip:>

> >> >> > I arrived in beautiful Brussels in the middle

> >> of some kind of medieval > > WARDANCE pageant. I had

> >> time to visit the city's most mainstream record >

> >> > store just opposite Ancienne Belquique which Killing

> >> Joke would conquer by > > and by. I was rewarded by

> >> finding a copy of one of the few PJ HARVEY > > singles

> >> I didn't yet possess, 'A PLACE CALLED HOME.'>

> >> >> > After a couple of hours I caught the train to

> >> gorgeous Ghent for the WIRE > > gig at Democrazy.>

> >> >> > Next day I took trains via Antwerp and a bus

> >> NORTH OF THE BORDER to > > Tilburg just in time to

> >> catch the seismic riffin' PELICAN and Dutch > >

> >> hardcore heroes SEEIN' RED before WIRE blasted off at

> >> around 7pm. Later I > > was also entertained by the

> >> double breasted PRE and a Satanic black metal > > band

> >> who gave the crowd the finger for watching them, all of

> >> which was > > unexpected.> >> > On

> >> returning to Brussels I witnessed a lovely WIRE gig at La

> >> Botanique, a > > venue which could verily call itself

> >> NICE STREETS ABOVE if it so desired. > > I struck up

> >> conversation with a charming photographer and graphic

> >> designer > > called Violette who sent me eight great

> >> photos of WIRE from the gig.> >> > After the gig

> >> I had to START TO MOVE pretty sharp and jumped on the night

> >> > > train where I was entertained by conversation with

> >> a former theatre > > director who had just aborted a

> >> trip to Turkey. He recommended a trip to > >

> >> Tiergarten which proved very good advice. My first police

> >> encounter was > > with two cops on the Ostbahnhof

> >> platform who took a rather long time > > checking to

> >> find out if Interpol have a warrant out on me for listening

> >> to > > music in my living room. Berlin is also very

> >> cool and well worth a visit > > in its own right, but

> >> smells worse than Brussels.> >> > The first

> >> night was free before the arrival of KILLING JOKE so I

> >> checked > > out the SO36 venue where they and WIRE

> >> played, which was immortalised in a > > song on the

> >> first KILLING JOKE album. The sound was excellent as are all

> >> > > other German venues I've ever been to. The

> >> soundman played KILLING JOKE > > before the headline

> >> act, a comedy punk trio who weren't very funny but >

> >> > probably liked DEVO. We talked after the gig and I run

> >> into him again at > > the KILLING JOKE gigs.>

> >> >> > After the amazing KILLING JOKE regeneration in

> >> Berlin, with Big Paul's > > drum kit illuminated

> >> and smoking ritualistically, I planned to head to > >

> >> Paris to see them there. The train times were TOO LATE so at

> >> the last > > minute I rerouted to Strasbourg for more

> >> WIRE and this proved a wise > > choice as the COMET

> >> hit very late and I caught the whole set in front of a >

> >> > very young and enthusiastic crowd at a festival that

> >> went on until 6am. > > Next day my second run in with

> >> cops was with two French transport police > > who ask

> >> me to wrap up my sword so that it couldn't be seen

> >> before I caught > > the train.> >> > Paris

> >> next for more WIRE, on a first class train where I started

> >> downing > > some of the left over Heineken from last

> >> night's rider and upset a French > > idiot who had

> >> a tantrum because I couldn't stop belching even when she

> >> > > kicked my chair. She complained to the guard and

> >> he clearly thought it was > > a bit silly having to

> >> ask me not to belch when I couldn't help it. In the >

> >> > end she started complaining I was playing the BUTTHOLE

> >> SURFERS too loud on > > my headphones and he came

> >> back, again embarrassed, to ask me to turn it > >

> >> down. Then she had a stroke of genius and moved to another

> >> seat. Perhaps > > its a good job the sword was

> >> wrapped!> > If you ever feel like going to Paris my

> >> advice is don't bother. Go in a > > cafe that

> >> advertises coffee for a Euro and they greasy waiters will

> >> > > chearge you five.> >> > It was nice to

> >> speed back to Belgium and Brussels which was already >

> >> > seeming like a second home. I found many cool CDs in

> >> the shops, including > > quite appropriately

> >> COMMERCIAL SUICIDE. Being there for three days I had >

> >> > plenty of time to explore and each day surpassed the

> >> previous one. I met > > so many great people in

> >> Belgium I felt like moving there!> >> > My

> >> favourite songs to listen to on a speeding train were>

> >> > KILLING JOKE - Pssyche> > WIRE - Drill (DJ

> >> Fuckoff Version)> > oh dear the moderate Craig

> >> won't like that will he?> > KILLING JOKE -

> >> Timewave> > PJ HARVEY - Taut> > EINSTURZENDE

> >> NEUBAUTEN - Haus Der Lauge> > BAND OF SUSANS - Guitar

> >> Trio> > KILLING JOKE - Empire Song> > WIRE -

> >> Germ Ship> > WIRE - Spent> > BUTTHOLE SURFERS -

> >> Who was in my room last night?> >> > Back home

> >> after another awesome double dose of the mighty JOKE I had a

> >> day > > of rest and didn't even have time enough

> >> to notice what a terminal dump > > Manchester is

> >> because the MELVINS wheeled in to rock the town and give me

> >> > > a chance to catch up with lots of old friends.

> >> That is the great thing > > about Manchester, lots of

> >> good gigs.> >> > Next day I was off again to

> >> London for the KILLING JOKE homecoming and as > >

> >> chaotic synchronicity would have it, THALIA ZEDEK and her

> >> band began their > > tour the very next day. She's

> >> a brilliant intense songwriter. Check her > > out

> >> while you still can...> >> >

> >> www.myspace.com/thaliazedek> >> > Her tour ends

> >> on October 23 at La Botanique in Brussels!> >> >

> >> I went to all the THALIA ZEDEK BAND gigs in England and

> >> after the best one > > at Hull Adelphi I had to zoom

> >> down to Cheam in Surrey for my younger > >

> >> sister's wedding. The lavish reception was held on a

> >> Territorial Army base > > but my uncles and I resisted

> >> the temptation to hijack a tank. One thing I > > gave

> >> her was a copy of 'UH HUH HER' by PJ HARVEY as

> >> "The Desperate Kingdom > > of Love"

> >> couldn't really be a better song to wish for a long

> >> loving > > marriage, at the end of this burning

> >> world.> >> > Then I went home to transcribe

> >> interesting interviews with MAGAZINE and > > WIRE,

> >> blow up some more stereo speakers, and wait for civilization

> >> to fall > > in its grave.> >> >

> >> ACCELERATE> > ACCELERATE> >> >>

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