[kj] Dutch

Karen Weil karen.weil at sddt.com
Wed Oct 29 14:58:24 EDT 2008

Good point, folk devil!

We are all Earthlings! ; )

k.w.
"
Living in the USA"
----- Original Message -----
From: folk devil
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch


Nationality is a myth.
It just keeps you neat and tidy in your box, even when it cannot represent every Culture contained inside.


""

> From: karen.weil at sddt.com
> To: crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net
> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:10:34 -0700
> Subject: Re: [kj] Dutch
>
> OK, Change: Settle down. I say it only in a general sense. And guess what? I
> actually think that about *most* people -- regardless of nationality, etc.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> k.w.
> (open-minded American)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
> <gathering at misera.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:46 AM
> Subject: [kj] Dutch
>
>
> > ALL the Dutch are good people?
> >
> > That seems a simplisitic view...
> >
> >> From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue,
> >> 28 Oct 2008 10:27:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets
> >> Below: How We Wait in Europe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dank u wel for your input, Jerry. The Dutch are good people
> >> (but sorry about your one experience there!) And I
> >> couldn't agree with you about judging an entire
> >> group/city/nation, etc. based on the actions of a few jerks.
> >> It only leads to no good.
> >>
> >> Anyway, tot ziens!
> >>
> >> k.w.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: jerry bodkin
> >> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:48 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe
> >> Holland is a lovely country and the Dutch are a lovely
> >> people, ive been there several times including once for just
> >> 12 hours(10 of them in a police cell) but we'll leave
> >> that there! France too is a beautiful beautiful place and
> >> the people there too are lovely once you make an effort with
> >> them. i.e. try at least to speak the language. Give me
> >> Europe any day. Too often we judge an entire race on
> >> individual behaviour, my God, what must most of the world
> >> think of us English. Jelala.
> >>
> >> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com> To:
> >> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net> Date:
> >> Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:50 -0700> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice
> >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > Hi,
> >> Change:> > Appreciate your thoughts on Belgium;
> >> it's a fine place. Germany also offers > so much, and
> >> has a very strong avant-guarde scene.> However, I have to
> >> take issue with your comments about the Dutch and >
> >> Europe. If anything, the Dutch have a totally different
> >> attitude when it > comes to languages; that's why so
> >> many of them speak three or four of them. > Whatever
> >> differences they may have with their European neighbors; I
> >> really > don't think the English issue plays a great
> >> role.> And while Paris is outrageously expensive (I was
> >> there in May; and believe > me, it was no fun coming from
> >> a country where the currency is in the > toilet!), I
> >> really can't agree with your observations about the
> >> French, > either. (Although I will concur about their
> >> love of Wire!)> But at any rate, enjoy travelling -- veel
> >> plezier, as the Dutch say!> > Groetjes,> >
> >> k.w.> > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
> >> "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>
> >> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the
> >> band!)" > <gathering at misera.net>> Sent:
> >> Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:53 AM> Subject: [kj] Nice
> >> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > > > How
> >> nice it was to escape this ever more petty joke of a nation,
> >> occupied > > as it has been by the USA since WW2. If
> >> you want to get away from this > > rotten island then
> >> a great place to go is Belgium. Its not too far by > >
> >> coach through the tunnel. Brussels is beautiful. The streets
> >> smell of > > coffee and chocolate, the people are
> >> jolly and kind and there is great art > > everywhere.
> >> No wonder Colin and Malka made it their home. There are also
> >> > > lots of Belgians with little noses straight out of
> >> a Tintin book. The food > > and beer are amazing. I
> >> thought Brussels was wonderful but then I made it > >
> >> to Ghent and was pretty damn glad the trams had been aborted
> >> by a flower > > festival because I walked along the
> >> canal to get back to the station and > > realised that
> >> this is architecturally the most beautiful city I have seen.
> >> > > I haven't made it to Prague yet though!
> >> Antwerp looks like a low rent > > Barcelona copy, in
> >> the same way Manchester tries to be European but always >
> >> > ends up looking like> > a post-industrial dump.
> >> Tilberg is very boxy but the people were partying > >
> >> hard and late and the Dutch all seem to think the rest of
> >> Europe is crap > > just because they don't all
> >> speak perfect English! "Those crazy Dutch!" >
> >> > said Lewis but I can't remember why. Maybe it was
> >> something to do with the > > hotel WIRE rejected in
> >> Tilburg. Margaret the guitarist said it was so > >
> >> grotty she didn't even want to put her bag down in it
> >> let alone sleep in > > it!> >> > Berlin is
> >> a great place to explore, full of impressive sites and large
> >> > > enough to spend years there I'd warrant.
> >> Tiergarten is the largest and > > most lovely park
> >> I've ever strolled through. German venues also make a
> >> > > mockery of British ones in terms of the sound.>
> >> >> > Strasbourg has a fine market where I found a
> >> sabre for a mere twenty > > euros, a light sabre for
> >> two euros and a tiny plastic Obelix for twenty > >
> >> cents. Lewis loves the trams, but the modern art gallery,
> >> watched over by > > one of Lovecraft's Forgotten
> >> Ones, is even better. I spent too long there > > so
> >> got to Paris 23 minutes too late. My Cologne friend Dirk
> >> from the > > Gathering reckons Strasbourg is cool
> >> because of the huge German influence. > > Cancel your
> >> order, crossing the border, changing the menu!> >>
> >> > The Eyefull tower is good for a stroll but Paris is
> >> full of too many slow > > people and the prices are
> >> obscene. Jus d'orange? Mai non je pense que je > >
> >> WAIT until ich gehe zu Belqigue! Paris hotels are the worst.
> >> Unlike > > Germany and Belgium, the beer is worse than
> >> Britain. French computer > > keyboards were designed
> >> by a retard and the showers go some way to > >
> >> explaining why the English have often mocked the French for
> >> being > > hygenically challenged. The redeeming
> >> feature of the French is that many > > of them seem to
> >> really love WIRE and gave the most enthusiastic response
> >> > > of any crowds on this tour.> >> >
> >> Anyway this was the route of my rail and road trip:>
> >> >> > I arrived in beautiful Brussels in the middle
> >> of some kind of medieval > > WARDANCE pageant. I had
> >> time to visit the city's most mainstream record >
> >> > store just opposite Ancienne Belquique which Killing
> >> Joke would conquer by > > and by. I was rewarded by
> >> finding a copy of one of the few PJ HARVEY > > singles
> >> I didn't yet possess, 'A PLACE CALLED HOME.'>
> >> >> > After a couple of hours I caught the train to
> >> gorgeous Ghent for the WIRE > > gig at Democrazy.>
> >> >> > Next day I took trains via Antwerp and a bus
> >> NORTH OF THE BORDER to > > Tilburg just in time to
> >> catch the seismic riffin' PELICAN and Dutch > >
> >> hardcore heroes SEEIN' RED before WIRE blasted off at
> >> around 7pm. Later I > > was also entertained by the
> >> double breasted PRE and a Satanic black metal > > band
> >> who gave the crowd the finger for watching them, all of
> >> which was > > unexpected.> >> > On
> >> returning to Brussels I witnessed a lovely WIRE gig at La
> >> Botanique, a > > venue which could verily call itself
> >> NICE STREETS ABOVE if it so desired. > > I struck up
> >> conversation with a charming photographer and graphic
> >> designer > > called Violette who sent me eight great
> >> photos of WIRE from the gig.> >> > After the gig
> >> I had to START TO MOVE pretty sharp and jumped on the night
> >> > > train where I was entertained by conversation with
> >> a former theatre > > director who had just aborted a
> >> trip to Turkey. He recommended a trip to > >
> >> Tiergarten which proved very good advice. My first police
> >> encounter was > > with two cops on the Ostbahnhof
> >> platform who took a rather long time > > checking to
> >> find out if Interpol have a warrant out on me for listening
> >> to > > music in my living room. Berlin is also very
> >> cool and well worth a visit > > in its own right, but
> >> smells worse than Brussels.> >> > The first
> >> night was free before the arrival of KILLING JOKE so I
> >> checked > > out the SO36 venue where they and WIRE
> >> played, which was immortalised in a > > song on the
> >> first KILLING JOKE album. The sound was excellent as are all
> >> > > other German venues I've ever been to. The
> >> soundman played KILLING JOKE > > before the headline
> >> act, a comedy punk trio who weren't very funny but >
> >> > probably liked DEVO. We talked after the gig and I run
> >> into him again at > > the KILLING JOKE gigs.>
> >> >> > After the amazing KILLING JOKE regeneration in
> >> Berlin, with Big Paul's > > drum kit illuminated
> >> and smoking ritualistically, I planned to head to > >
> >> Paris to see them there. The train times were TOO LATE so at
> >> the last > > minute I rerouted to Strasbourg for more
> >> WIRE and this proved a wise > > choice as the COMET
> >> hit very late and I caught the whole set in front of a >
> >> > very young and enthusiastic crowd at a festival that
> >> went on until 6am. > > Next day my second run in with
> >> cops was with two French transport police > > who ask
> >> me to wrap up my sword so that it couldn't be seen
> >> before I caught > > the train.> >> > Paris
> >> next for more WIRE, on a first class train where I started
> >> downing > > some of the left over Heineken from last
> >> night's rider and upset a French > > idiot who had
> >> a tantrum because I couldn't stop belching even when she
> >> > > kicked my chair. She complained to the guard and
> >> he clearly thought it was > > a bit silly having to
> >> ask me not to belch when I couldn't help it. In the >
> >> > end she started complaining I was playing the BUTTHOLE
> >> SURFERS too loud on > > my headphones and he came
> >> back, again embarrassed, to ask me to turn it > >
> >> down. Then she had a stroke of genius and moved to another
> >> seat. Perhaps > > its a good job the sword was
> >> wrapped!> > If you ever feel like going to Paris my
> >> advice is don't bother. Go in a > > cafe that
> >> advertises coffee for a Euro and they greasy waiters will
> >> > > chearge you five.> >> > It was nice to
> >> speed back to Belgium and Brussels which was already >
> >> > seeming like a second home. I found many cool CDs in
> >> the shops, including > > quite appropriately
> >> COMMERCIAL SUICIDE. Being there for three days I had >
> >> > plenty of time to explore and each day surpassed the
> >> previous one. I met > > so many great people in
> >> Belgium I felt like moving there!> >> > My
> >> favourite songs to listen to on a speeding train were>
> >> > KILLING JOKE - Pssyche> > WIRE - Drill (DJ
> >> Fuckoff Version)> > oh dear the moderate Craig
> >> won't like that will he?> > KILLING JOKE -
> >> Timewave> > PJ HARVEY - Taut> > EINSTURZENDE
> >> NEUBAUTEN - Haus Der Lauge> > BAND OF SUSANS - Guitar
> >> Trio> > KILLING JOKE - Empire Song> > WIRE -
> >> Germ Ship> > WIRE - Spent> > BUTTHOLE SURFERS -
> >> Who was in my room last night?> >> > Back home
> >> after another awesome double dose of the mighty JOKE I had a
> >> day > > of rest and didn't even have time enough
> >> to notice what a terminal dump > > Manchester is
> >> because the MELVINS wheeled in to rock the town and give me
> >> > > a chance to catch up with lots of old friends.
> >> That is the great thing > > about Manchester, lots of
> >> good gigs.> >> > Next day I was off again to
> >> London for the KILLING JOKE homecoming and as > >
> >> chaotic synchronicity would have it, THALIA ZEDEK and her
> >> band began their > > tour the very next day. She's
> >> a brilliant intense songwriter. Check her > > out
> >> while you still can...> >> >
> >> www.myspace.com/thaliazedek> >> > Her tour ends
> >> on October 23 at La Botanique in Brussels!> >> >
> >> I went to all the THALIA ZEDEK BAND gigs in England and
> >> after the best one > > at Hull Adelphi I had to zoom
> >> down to Cheam in Surrey for my younger > >
> >> sister's wedding. The lavish reception was held on a
> >> Territorial Army base > > but my uncles and I resisted
> >> the temptation to hijack a tank. One thing I > > gave
> >> her was a copy of 'UH HUH HER' by PJ HARVEY as
> >> "The Desperate Kingdom > > of Love"
> >> couldn't really be a better song to wish for a long
> >> loving > > marriage, at the end of this burning
> >> world.> >> > Then I went home to transcribe
> >> interesting interviews with MAGAZINE and > > WIRE,
> >> blow up some more stereo speakers, and wait for civilization
> >> to fall > > in its grave.> >> >
> >> ACCELERATE> > ACCELERATE> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >
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