[kj] Dutch

[Change]

ALL the Dutch are good people?

That seems a simplisitic view...


> From: karen.weil at sddt.comTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Tue,

> 28 Oct 2008 10:27:45 -0700Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets

> Below: How We Wait in Europe

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> Dank u wel for your input, Jerry. The Dutch are good people

> (but sorry about your one experience there!) And I

> couldn't agree with you about judging an entire

> group/city/nation, etc. based on the actions of a few jerks.

> It only leads to no good.

>  

> Anyway, tot ziens!

>  

> k.w.

> 

> ----- Original Message ----- 

> From: jerry bodkin 

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 

> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:48 AM

> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe

>   Holland is a lovely country and the Dutch are a lovely

> people, ive been there several times including once for just

> 12 hours(10 of them in a police cell) but we'll leave

> that there! France too is a beautiful beautiful place and

> the people there too are lovely once you make an effort with

> them. i.e. try at least to speak the language. Give me

> Europe any day. Too often we judge an entire race on

> individual behaviour, my God, what must most of the world

> think of us English. Jelala.

> 

> > From: karen.weil at sddt.com> To:

> crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk; gathering at misera.net> Date:

> Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:51:50 -0700> Subject: Re: [kj] Nice

> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > Hi,

> Change:> > Appreciate your thoughts on Belgium;

> it's a fine place. Germany also offers > so much, and

> has a very strong avant-guarde scene.> However, I have to

> take issue with your comments about the Dutch and >

> Europe. If anything, the Dutch have a totally different

> attitude when it > comes to languages; that's why so

> many of them speak three or four of them. > Whatever

> differences they may have with their European neighbors; I

> really > don't think the English issue plays a great

> role.> And while Paris is outrageously expensive (I was

> there in May; and believe > me, it was no fun coming from

> a country where the currency is in the > toilet!), I

> really can't agree with your observations about the

> French, > either. (Although I will concur about their

> love of Wire!)> But at any rate, enjoy travelling -- veel

> plezier, as the Dutch say!> > Groetjes,> >

> k.w.> > ----- Original Message ----- > From:

> "Change" <crackedmachine at yahoo.co.uk>>

> To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)" > <gathering at misera.net>> Sent:

> Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:53 AM> Subject: [kj] Nice

> Streets Below: How We Wait in Europe> > > > How

> nice it was to escape this ever more petty joke of a nation,

> occupied > > as it has been by the USA since WW2. If

> you want to get away from this > > rotten island then

> a great place to go is Belgium. Its not too far by > >

> coach through the tunnel. Brussels is beautiful. The streets

> smell of > > coffee and chocolate, the people are

> jolly and kind and there is great art > > everywhere.

> No wonder Colin and Malka made it their home. There are also

> > > lots of Belgians with little noses straight out of

> a Tintin book. The food > > and beer are amazing. I

> thought Brussels was wonderful but then I made it > >

> to Ghent and was pretty damn glad the trams had been aborted

> by a flower > > festival because I walked along the

> canal to get back to the station and > > realised that

> this is architecturally the most beautiful city I have seen.

> > > I haven't made it to Prague yet though!

> Antwerp looks like a low rent > > Barcelona copy, in

> the same way Manchester tries to be European but always >

> > ends up looking like> > a post-industrial dump.

> Tilberg is very boxy but the people were partying > >

> hard and late and the Dutch all seem to think the rest of

> Europe is crap > > just because they don't all

> speak perfect English! "Those crazy Dutch!" >

> > said Lewis but I can't remember why. Maybe it was

> something to do with the > > hotel WIRE rejected in

> Tilburg. Margaret the guitarist said it was so > >

> grotty she didn't even want to put her bag down in it

> let alone sleep in > > it!> >> > Berlin is

> a great place to explore, full of impressive sites and large

> > > enough to spend years there I'd warrant.

> Tiergarten is the largest and > > most lovely park

> I've ever strolled through. German venues also make a

> > > mockery of British ones in terms of the sound.>

> >> > Strasbourg has a fine market where I found a

> sabre for a mere twenty > > euros, a light sabre for

> two euros and a tiny plastic Obelix for twenty > >

> cents. Lewis loves the trams, but the modern art gallery,

> watched over by > > one of Lovecraft's Forgotten

> Ones, is even better. I spent too long there > > so

> got to Paris 23 minutes too late. My Cologne friend Dirk

> from the > > Gathering reckons Strasbourg is cool

> because of the huge German influence. > > Cancel your

> order, crossing the border, changing the menu!> >>

> > The Eyefull tower is good for a stroll but Paris is

> full of too many slow > > people and the prices are

> obscene. Jus d'orange? Mai non je pense que je > >

> WAIT until ich gehe zu Belqigue! Paris hotels are the worst.

> Unlike > > Germany and Belgium, the beer is worse than

> Britain. French computer > > keyboards were designed

> by a retard and the showers go some way to > >

> explaining why the English have often mocked the French for

> being > > hygenically challenged. The redeeming

> feature of the French is that many > > of them seem to

> really love WIRE and gave the most enthusiastic response

> > > of any crowds on this tour.> >> >

> Anyway this was the route of my rail and road trip:>

> >> > I arrived in beautiful Brussels in the middle

> of some kind of medieval > > WARDANCE pageant. I had

> time to visit the city's most mainstream record >

> > store just opposite Ancienne Belquique which Killing

> Joke would conquer by > > and by. I was rewarded by

> finding a copy of one of the few PJ HARVEY > > singles

> I didn't yet possess, 'A PLACE CALLED HOME.'>

> >> > After a couple of hours I caught the train to

> gorgeous Ghent for the WIRE > > gig at Democrazy.>

> >> > Next day I took trains via Antwerp and a bus

> NORTH OF THE BORDER to > > Tilburg just in time to

> catch the seismic riffin' PELICAN and Dutch > >

> hardcore heroes SEEIN' RED before WIRE blasted off at

> around 7pm. Later I > > was also entertained by the

> double breasted PRE and a Satanic black metal > > band

> who gave the crowd the finger for watching them, all of

> which was > > unexpected.> >> > On

> returning to Brussels I witnessed a lovely WIRE gig at La

> Botanique, a > > venue which could verily call itself

> NICE STREETS ABOVE if it so desired. > > I struck up

> conversation with a charming photographer and graphic

> designer > > called Violette who sent me eight great

> photos of WIRE from the gig.> >> > After the gig

> I had to START TO MOVE pretty sharp and jumped on the night

> > > train where I was entertained by conversation with

> a former theatre > > director who had just aborted a

> trip to Turkey. He recommended a trip to > >

> Tiergarten which proved very good advice. My first police

> encounter was > > with two cops on the Ostbahnhof

> platform who took a rather long time > > checking to

> find out if Interpol have a warrant out on me for listening

> to > > music in my living room. Berlin is also very

> cool and well worth a visit > > in its own right, but

> smells worse than Brussels.> >> > The first

> night was free before the arrival of KILLING JOKE so I

> checked > > out the SO36 venue where they and WIRE

> played, which was immortalised in a > > song on the

> first KILLING JOKE album. The sound was excellent as are all

> > > other German venues I've ever been to. The

> soundman played KILLING JOKE > > before the headline

> act, a comedy punk trio who weren't very funny but >

> > probably liked DEVO. We talked after the gig and I run

> into him again at > > the KILLING JOKE gigs.>

> >> > After the amazing KILLING JOKE regeneration in

> Berlin, with Big Paul's > > drum kit illuminated

> and smoking ritualistically, I planned to head to > >

> Paris to see them there. The train times were TOO LATE so at

> the last > > minute I rerouted to Strasbourg for more

> WIRE and this proved a wise > > choice as the COMET

> hit very late and I caught the whole set in front of a >

> > very young and enthusiastic crowd at a festival that

> went on until 6am. > > Next day my second run in with

> cops was with two French transport police > > who ask

> me to wrap up my sword so that it couldn't be seen

> before I caught > > the train.> >> > Paris

> next for more WIRE, on a first class train where I started

> downing > > some of the left over Heineken from last

> night's rider and upset a French > > idiot who had

> a tantrum because I couldn't stop belching even when she

> > > kicked my chair. She complained to the guard and

> he clearly thought it was > > a bit silly having to

> ask me not to belch when I couldn't help it. In the >

> > end she started complaining I was playing the BUTTHOLE

> SURFERS too loud on > > my headphones and he came

> back, again embarrassed, to ask me to turn it > >

> down. Then she had a stroke of genius and moved to another

> seat. Perhaps > > its a good job the sword was

> wrapped!> > If you ever feel like going to Paris my

> advice is don't bother. Go in a > > cafe that

> advertises coffee for a Euro and they greasy waiters will

> > > chearge you five.> >> > It was nice to

> speed back to Belgium and Brussels which was already >

> > seeming like a second home. I found many cool CDs in

> the shops, including > > quite appropriately

> COMMERCIAL SUICIDE. Being there for three days I had >

> > plenty of time to explore and each day surpassed the

> previous one. I met > > so many great people in

> Belgium I felt like moving there!> >> > My

> favourite songs to listen to on a speeding train were>

> > KILLING JOKE - Pssyche> > WIRE - Drill (DJ

> Fuckoff Version)> > oh dear the moderate Craig

> won't like that will he?> > KILLING JOKE -

> Timewave> > PJ HARVEY - Taut> > EINSTURZENDE

> NEUBAUTEN - Haus Der Lauge> > BAND OF SUSANS - Guitar

> Trio> > KILLING JOKE - Empire Song> > WIRE -

> Germ Ship> > WIRE - Spent> > BUTTHOLE SURFERS -

> Who was in my room last night?> >> > Back home

> after another awesome double dose of the mighty JOKE I had a

> day > > of rest and didn't even have time enough

> to notice what a terminal dump > > Manchester is

> because the MELVINS wheeled in to rock the town and give me

> > > a chance to catch up with lots of old friends.

> That is the great thing > > about Manchester, lots of

> good gigs.> >> > Next day I was off again to

> London for the KILLING JOKE homecoming and as > >

> chaotic synchronicity would have it, THALIA ZEDEK and her

> band began their > > tour the very next day. She's

> a brilliant intense songwriter. Check her > > out

> while you still can...> >> >

> www.myspace.com/thaliazedek> >> > Her tour ends

> on October 23 at La Botanique in Brussels!> >> >

> I went to all the THALIA ZEDEK BAND gigs in England and

> after the best one > > at Hull Adelphi I had to zoom

> down to Cheam in Surrey for my younger > >

> sister's wedding. The lavish reception was held on a

> Territorial Army base > > but my uncles and I resisted

> the temptation to hijack a tank. One thing I > > gave

> her was a copy of 'UH HUH HER' by PJ HARVEY as

> "The Desperate Kingdom > > of Love"

> couldn't really be a better song to wish for a long

> loving > > marriage, at the end of this burning

> world.> >> > Then I went home to transcribe

> interesting interviews with MAGAZINE and > > WIRE,

> blow up some more stereo speakers, and wait for civilization

> to fall > > in its grave.> >> >

> ACCELERATE> > ACCELERATE> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> >

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