[kj] ot- palin vote

[Laura Tobin (why not)]

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Karen Weil wrote:

> Well, we could go on about this all day -- but we're both blank

> But there's no way in hell a Clinton/Obama ticket would win a period

> I just fundamentally disagree with you over the media. (Please witness 

> Tom Brokaw's demeanor yesterday.)

> You are right about Kinky Friedman, though! ; )

>  

> Rock on, dude.

>  

> kw..

>

>     ----- Original Message -----

>     *From:* The Exorcist <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>

>     *To:* A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>     <mailto:gathering at misera.net>

>     *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:45 PM

>     *Subject:* Re: [kj] ot- palin vote

>

>     Heya Karen,

>

>     If you notice, I never brought up McCain or Palin here or

>     promoted/endorsed any nominee.

>     I never mentioned Obama till the whole mega Palin thread from a

>     few weeks back.

>     (Which a gatherer asked that we drop as it was overwhelming the

>     list and I so obliged.)

>

>     I have my issues with all 4 candidates. I voted for none of them

>     in the primaries.

>     Is the Palin the best candidate? No. Is Obama the best candidate?

>     No. Did Obama

>     pick the best VP candidate which would have made this election a

>     thorough trouncing?

>     Once again. No. (Hillary & Obama? Don't even bother campaigning!

>     Sit back and win.)

>

>     Politics. As Kinky Friedman said.

>

>     "But all these guys want to do is look good, and that is the

>     nature of politics:

>     poly, meaning more than one, and ticks, meaning blood-sucking

>     parasites.

>     That's what they've all become after they've been around a while,

>     so I just say never reelect anybody."

>

>

>     The media? It's only the republicans and right wingers that

>     discussed it. Why is "ties" in quotes?

>     But see, you're talking about Sean Hannity, who is only listened

>     to and watched by the base.

>     How long ago has he mentioned Obama's ties? Many months ago. The

>     only reason this got any

>     traction in NYT etc... whatsoever is because Palin mentioned it on

>     the stump.

>     If it were not mentioned by her, the news sources would continue

>     to never mention it.

>

>     Having one network out of the dozens that are out there

>     investigate Obama is something I'd call Kid Gloves.

>      

>     Everyone has skeletons and let them all be brought out. I have no

>     issues with that.

>     There is one word that I love dearly. "Transparency" :)

>

>     Still Rockin' (or at least trying)!

>     Yos

>

>     Have a wonderful day Karen!

>

>

>     At 01:25 PM 10/8/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

>>     Hi, Exorcist.

>>     Look, no offense, really: But what do you think McCain's campaign

>>     is -- pure substance?

>>     Do you really, really, really think McCain "chose" Palin because

>>     she was truly the "best candidate"?

>>     You're a sharp guy, for sure, but you know better than that.

>>     (Look, we all know Biden was a convenient pick for Obama, as well

>>     -- but at least he makes sense.)

>>     This sounds harsh, but I have to agree with Alex: She's shit.

>>     And, in case you missed it, Sean Hannity had a blistering

>>     expose"on Obama's "ties" with William Ayers. Don't think the

>>     media hasn't been having a field day with that.

>>     With all due respect, I have to disagree with you that Obama has

>>     gotten the kid-gloves treatment here. He hasn't -- nor should he.

>>     Neither should McCain.

>>     (And if you don't think McCain doesn't have his own share of

>>     skeletons in the closet, you're kidding yourself. That doesn't

>>     mean McCain is terrible, mind you, but it's just the truth.)

>>     As a much-revered president once said about politics: "If you

>>     can't stand the heat ..."

>>     Please have a good day.

>>      

>>     Keep on rocking,

>>      

>>     k.w.

>>      

>>      

>>     ----- Original Message -----

>>

>>         From: The Exorcist <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>

>>         To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>         <mailto:gathering at misera.net>

>>         Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 10:10 AM

>>         Subject: Re: [kj] ot- palin vote

>>

>>         I always said people's record is fair game. Have you looked

>>         up Obama's record?

>>         Have you seen any of the big papers or bloggers go after his

>>         record?

>>

>>         Nope...

>>

>>         I've yet to hear one thing that he has accomplished.

>>

>>         His entire campaign is based on pure rhetoric. Though I am

>>         glad that you've come around to

>>         agreeing about going after ones record and not their

>>         race/gender and just constant ad hominem attacks.

>>

>>         At 07:12 AM 10/8/2008, Alexander Smith wrote:

>>>             "She's been the most vilified and attacked person in ages."

>>>

>>>             Hardly. If anything, she hasn't been attacked ENOUGH.

>>>             Not about her gender or her character, but ABOUT HER RECORD.

>>>

>>>             She's shit.

>>>

>>>             Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>             On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:18 AM, The Exorcist wrote:

>>>

>>>>                 Soft on her? She's been the most vilified and

>>>>                 attacked person in ages.

>>>>

>>>>                 The Bush Doctrine? What about Joe Biden's massive

>>>>                 screwup interpreting the constitution? (Wait a

>>>>                 second! for someone who

>>>>                 has been in the field for 35 years... screws up so

>>>>                 bad... Yet no one says a word? AMAZING! This is the

>>>>                 friggin CONSTITUTION!

>>>>                 But I've heard nary a peep.)

>>>>

>>>>                 As I've pointed out before, the interviewer (Mr.

>>>>                 Gibson) himself did not know the Bush doctrine and

>>>>                 was immediately smacked down by the individual who

>>>>                 coined the phrase (Charles Krauthammer).

>>>>                 I've linked to it in my previous emails when we had

>>>>                 the whole Palin thing going on.

>>>>                 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457.html

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>                 You may disagree all you want Brendan but you are

>>>>                 dead wrong on this.

>>>>                 Not to mention that even if you were correct, not

>>>>                 knowing the constitution (after being in the

>>>>                 service for 35 years)

>>>>                 or not knowing the bush doctrine - you tell me

>>>>                 which is more pathetic.

>>>>

>>>>                 (And I still stand by my opinion that Obama is a

>>>>                 talentless hack who never accomplished anything and

>>>>                 was hand-held

>>>>                 his entire career. Go and read up on how he

>>>>                 achieved every job title he ever had.)

>>>>

>>>>                 Judge not lest ye be judged. :)

>>>>

>>>>                 Cheers,

>>>>                 Yos

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>                 At 12:07 AM 10/8/2008, Brendan wrote:

>>>>>                     "Given enough time she'd be just as good with

>>>>>                     talking points and gotcha's

>>>>>                     as he is."

>>>>>

>>>>>                     That's an assumption I disagree with...unlike

>>>>>                     some others who have gone

>>>>>                     soft on her, I think stuff like not knowing

>>>>>                     what the Bush Doctrine is is

>>>>>                     absolutely pathetic, and provides more

>>>>>                     evidence that she's in there for

>>>>>                     reasons of personality / looks / gender /

>>>>>                     demographic as opposed to talent

>>>>>                     (gasp!).

>>>>>

>>>>>                     > Every poll is rigged... Look at the Daily

>>>>>                     Kos; they list every poll

>>>>>                     > out there and tell everyone to go and vote

>>>>>                     to change the numbers.

>>>>>                     > They do this for Obama, Palin, Mccain and

>>>>>                     every other friggin person out

>>>>>                     > there.

>>>>>                     >

>>>>>                     > Look up freep and words similar to that.

>>>>>                     >

>>>>>                     > You ppl. really need to stop getting so

>>>>>                     fussy. :)

>>>>>                     >

>>>>>                     > When the Obama sent out the mass mailer to

>>>>>                     all their supporters to

>>>>>                     > shut down the radio show

>>>>>                     > that hosted some of his detractors I don't

>>>>>                     recall you worrying much

>>>>>                     > about bias. :)

>>>>>                     >

>>>>>                     > BTW, IMHO, her qualifications are just as

>>>>>                     good as Obama (which means

>>>>>                     > ZERO or close to it). He just has his

>>>>>                     > talking points down better after campaigning

>>>>>                     for so long. Given

>>>>>                     > enough time she'd be just as good with talking

>>>>>                     > points and gotcha's as he is.

>>>>>                     >

>>>>>                     > Obama is currently in the lead and may very

>>>>>                     well win the election.

>>>>>                     > Life goes on and you prepare for the next one.

>>>>>                     >

>>>>>                     > BTW.... The same thing that those nasty

>>>>>                     "republicans" are doing... is

>>>>>                     > the same thing you are doing now.

>>>>>                     >

>>>>>                     > Cheers,

>>>>>                     > Me :)

>>>>>                     >

>>>>>                     >

>>>>>                     > At 11:12 AM 10/7/2008, fluw wrote:

>>>>>                     >>Forward--

>>>>>                     >>

>>>>>                     >>PBS has an online poll posted asking if

>>>>>                     Sarah Palin is

>>>>>                     >>qualified.  Apparently the Republicans knew

>>>>>                     about this in advance

>>>>>                     >>and are flooding the voting with YES votes. 

>>>>>                     I know -- it's only a

>>>>>                     >>poll.  But it will be reported on PBS,

>>>>>                     picked up by mainstream media

>>>>>                     >>and can influence undecided voters in swing

>>>>>                     states. Please do two

>>>>>                     >>things -- takes 20 seconds

>>>>>                     >>1)  Click on link and vote yourself.  Here's

>>>>>                     the link:

>>>>>                     >>

>>>>>                     >>< http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

>>>>>                     > http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

>>>>>                     >>2)  Then send this to every single voter you

>>>>>                     know, irregardless of

>>>>>                     >>party affiliation, and  urge them to vote

>>>>>                     and pass it on.

>>>>>                     >>The last thing we need is PBS having to say

>>>>>                     their viewers think

>>>>>                     >>Sarah Palin is qualified unless we ALL vote.

>>>>>                     >>Thanks.

>>>>>                     >>

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>>>>                 reeks of social Darwinism.

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>>>>                 Therefore, losers contribute

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>>>>                 a winner is unethical, while

>>>>                 a society of losers is happy and striving as a

>>>>                 collective. In the spirit of diversity,

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>>         Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of

>>         social Darwinism.

>>         We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your

>>         loss is someone

>>         else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore,

>>         losers contribute

>>         to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner

>>         is unethical, while

>>         a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In

>>         the spirit of diversity,

>>         inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no

>>         winners.

>>         Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an

>>         ethical team player.

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>     Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social

>     Darwinism.

>     We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is

>     someone

>     else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore,

>     losers contribute

>     to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is

>     unethical, while

>     a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the

>     spirit of diversity,

>     inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.

>     Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical

>     team player.

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