[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[ade]

And what will we do with it all? Find new ways to kill/make lives a misery? I see no change, dude!

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn
Sent: 18 November 2008 03:46
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project



I think me & Ade are arguing tech vs society.

 

Don't forget technology is a facilitator for society however. Without the critical mass of people and the survival resiliency that plant & animal farming, specialisation and division of labour provide (with their inherent costs of course), it's not really possible to have dedicated classes of priests, merchants, scribes, philosophers, scientists etc etc. (Probably Amway salespeople as well).

 

The internet is going to be hugely impacting in the way it affects society over time, that's so obvious to see. Want a record, movie, tv show? Steal it. Want to block access to independent media to your population? Good like...we'll use onion routing, open web proxies, encryption etc to get around it. 

 

Those old chestnuts of virtual reality and AI...keep an eye on them. Cybernetics, nanotech, VR, AI, deeper understanding of physics...they say that biology will be the physics of the 21st century. Who knows. 

 

Check it out...AI from about 2020-2030 on...computers are going to have the raw power of the human brain. Average 'desktop' computers, if there's still such a think. That's a game changer. The 20th century saw massive changes in lifestyle & standard of living, the 21st. Well who knows what will happen, but short of massive wars, famine, another dark ages, if technology is allowed to continue apace, we're in for a real paradigm shift I think. 

 

I mean, this isn't futurist fantasy stuff, it's just a natural extrapolation of the vector that science has been on for the last 300 + years...

 

Don't believe that society won't be affected.

 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of folk devil
Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 14:17
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

 

Well surveillance and control has advanced quite nicely, ever since PCs went portable and cell phones became a new appendage.. ;P

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> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:56:19 +0000

> From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

> 

> > I mean look at the difference between 1908 & 2000...light years apart

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> I'll say it again, eventhough you ignored it the last time. No, they are not!

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