[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[The Exorcist]

All lies! You were raised by communists who told 
you that throwing rocks at westerners and poking their fat bellies
with pitchforks was called VDO games. :)
(Verify, Destroy, Ostracize,)

I see through your skin and into your inner redness! (It's quite liquidy.)
*HARUMPH*

I think you and Ade ought to be the headmasters 
of the island. It'd be the most interesting experiment ever!
Not only that, but it would provide hours of 
joyous entertainment for the masses (of the island) when they're done
fucking fembots. :)

(I just can't seem to let go of this.... *sigh)

At 12:47 AM 11/18/2008, Brendan Quinn wrote:

>Technology moves a hell of a lot faster than 

>societal changes. Hence my point, that it’s one 

>of the main drivers of societal change.

>

>I was raised with video games, television, 

>reading sci fi, and hard science, I work in IT, 

>and I still find it nigh on impossible to keep 

>up with the rate of change in technology. I 

>never said it was a driver towards people 

>becoming more compassionate towards each other 

>(not right yet), but of course that’s what I think is the long term effect.

>

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of folk devil

>Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 15:16

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>

>You're heading back to memetics ;)

>Life expectancy has gone up from around 50 in 

>1900, to about 78/80 today, and it wasn't that 

>long ago we could only expect to live to about 35.

>Medicine has made many 'advances'..or are we 

>just replacing the old with the new, and 

>moulding the same thing into a different shape all the time?

>Ich bin eine Maschine.

>

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>From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:45:48 +1100

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>I think me & Ade are arguing tech vs society.

>

>Don’t forget technology is a facilitator for 

>society however. Without the critical mass of 

>people and the survival resiliency that plant & 

>animal farming, specialisation and division of 

>labour provide (with their inherent costs of 

>course), it’s not really possible to have 

>dedicated classes of priests, merchants, 

>scribes, philosophers, scientists etc etc. 

>(Probably Amway salespeople as well).

>

>The internet is going to be hugely impacting in 

>the way it affects society over time, that’s so 

>obvious to see. Want a record, movie, tv show? 

>Steal it. Want to block access to independent 

>media to your population? Good like

we’ll use 

>onion routing, open web proxies, encryption etc to get around it.

>

>Those old chestnuts of virtual reality and 

>AI

keep an eye on them. Cybernetics, nanotech, 

>VR, AI, deeper understanding of physics

they say 

>that biology will be the physics of the 21st century. Who knows.

>

>Check it out

AI from about 2020-2030 

>on

computers are going to have the raw power of 

>the human brain. Average ‘desktop’ computers, if 

>there’s still such a think. That’s a game 

>changer. The 20th century saw massive changes in 

>lifestyle & standard of living, the 21st. Well 

>who knows what will happen, but short of massive 

>wars, famine, another dark ages, if technology 

>is allowed to continue apace, we’re in for a real paradigm shift I think.

>

>I mean, this isn’t futurist fantasy stuff, it’s 

>just a natural extrapolation of the vector that 

>science has been on for the last 300 + years



>

>Don’t believe that society won’t be affected.

>

>

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>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net 

>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of folk devil

>Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 14:17

>To: gathering at misera.net

>Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

>

>Well surveillance and control has advanced quite 

>nicely, ever since PCs went portable and cell 

>phones became a new appendage.. ;P

>

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