[kj] OT: The Venus Project

[Brendan Quinn]

No I'm not holding my breath for anything to happen immediately...but
generations are only 20-30 years long, and new generations generally have a
different view of things. And when you look at the internet, it's more than
a gadget to have basically the guts of recorded human knowledge, art,
science, history, music etc since the year dot at your fingertips, and no
need to wade through indexes and paper...

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Janean Lancaster
Sent: Monday, 17 November 2008 22:24
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

Yeah we have gadgets.  But I mean the way in which we live - we still
have petrol cars and live in brick boxes with leaky pipes.  

Fat cats aren't going to relinquish their fortunes so we can all have
the same things and scrap the monetary system.  Greed isn't going to go
away.





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> On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn

> Sent: 17 November 2008 10:49

> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

> 

> I said looking back from the end of this century to now (the

> beginning)...I

> mean look at the difference between 1908 & 2000...light years apart.

> 

> 1980 until now...you can now carry a device around that will connect

you

> to

> people all over the world via video, sound, text, GPS, you can use it

to

> locate all sorts of amenities, show you the best route somewhere,

connect

> to

> computers all over the world, play music, games, get your work

done...we

> have mapped the entire human genome, found evidence of a dwarf race in

> Indonesia, developed nanotechnology, I could go on and on...and in the

> scheme of things 28 years isn't even close to a blink!

> 

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> On

> Behalf Of Janean Lancaster

> Sent: Monday, 17 November 2008 20:58

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> Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

> 

> > It's gonna be funny looking back from the other end of this century

to

> > now, I'm sure things are going to be so different, one way or

another.

> 

> I don't think it's going to be much different.  Back in 1980 we were

all

> excited about the space-age and were expecting to be living in pods

with

> hover cars for transport by the year 2000.

> 

> Nearest thing we've got is flat screen TVs and iPods. And those silver

> suits the "celebs" wear on Hole in the Wall.

> 

> That Venus Project looks so cool, but such a utopia is never going to

> happen. (And it looks like he's selling up...)

> 

> Very interesting though, love that kind of thing.

> 

> Cheers,

> Janean

> 

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> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

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> > On Behalf Of Brendan

> > Sent: 14 November 2008 18:20

> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> > Subject: Re: [kj] OT: The Venus Project

> >

> > It's quite a weird thought, giving up your 'countryness'...but I'm

> quite

> > happy to do it.

> >

> > It's gonna be funny looking back from the other end of this century

to

> > now, I'm sure things are going to be so different, one way or

another.

> I

> > mean look at the beginnging and end of the 20th century...

> >

> > And I still haven't picked up my lycra one-poice future space

uniform,

> > fuck's sake.

> >

> > >

> > > The 2 things you said below--doing away w/money and counties--it

my

> idea

> > > (and Progressive Labor Party's)

> > > platform for communism too...> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:30:45

> +1300>

> > > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject:

Re:

> > [kj]

> > > OT: The Venus Project> > I have sorta been expecting something

like

> this

> > > ever since the web came> into being, or even email. Replication of

> memes

> > > is incredibly fast and> almost impossible to stop by the corporate

> > lobby.>

> > > > They have some interesting ideas.> > I already agree that

> rational,

> > > intelligent, well educated, unbiased minds> (scientists in

> particular)

> > > should have far more say, over corporates,> politicians, the

> religious

> > > lobby etc. Irrational lobby groups have far too> much say.> > I

> agree

> > that

> > > the military are an anachronism to a large extent (although> until

> every

> > > disarms, there's no way you could go whole hog in one> step...but

> the US

> > > pulling military out from o/s bases for example would be> a

> start...)> >

> > I

> > > agree that as soon as you remove people from behind the wheel of

> cars>

> > and

> > > implement a decent automated system, you'll basically kiss goodbye

> to>

> > the

> > > road toll. As much as petrol heads will be annoyed (tough)> > What

I

> > find

> > > interesting is their idea that human nature is largely> irrelevant

-

> > it's

> > > the environment that dictates behaviour. In the absence> of

> scarcity,

> > > people tend to be nice and share with each other. With> scarcity

and

> > fear

> > > of scarcity, and hugely unequal distribution of wealth,> to the

> point

> > that

> > > many don't even have the basics...you end up with> poverty, crime,

> poor

> > > health etc.> > Most of what they say makes perfect sense. I dunno

> about

> > > moving to a> system of no money (Jaz agrees), but I do like the

idea

> of

> > > doing away with> countries.> > Interesting stuff, kind of what

I've

> been

> > > harping on about for a while.> > Wonder how big their island

is...?>

> > >

> > >

> > > >> > who ever does their PR is rather good ;)> > they're all over

> the

> > > internets.."> >> >> >> > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:48:23

+1300From:

> > > humanhybrid666 at gmail.comTo:> > gathering at misera.netSubject: Re:

[kj]

> OT:

> > > The Venus Project> >

> > >

> >

>

http://au.youtube.com/results?search_query=zeitgeist+refuted+1+of+10&sea

> rc

> > h_type=&aq=0&oq=zeitgeist+refuted>

> > > >> > you checked out any of the anti-zeitgeist crowd? i got

through

> a

> > few>

> > > > minutes.....> >> >> >> > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 6:42 PM,

Brendan

> > Quinn

> > > <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>> > wrote:> >> >> >> > So has anyone seen

> > > Zeitgeist: Addendum?> >> > Apart from the ridiculous idea of

putting

> the

> > > word 'addendum' in a title> > (?!), I quite enjoyed it. And I'm

> > intrigued

> > > by 'The Venus Project.' (Well> > mainly the part about

> self-replicating

> > > machines doing all the work I> > suppose...)> >> >

> > www.thevenusproject.com>

> > > >> > They really need someone to proof-read their manifesto

though,

> for

> > a

> > > bunch> > of people espousing science over everything else, they

> can't

> > > write good.> >> > And it so should have been called Zeitgeist II:

> Zeit

> > > Geister.> >

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