[kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American Right

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Christ on a bike - explaining this is like talking to children about the world. Wow, fancy making it into your 30's & not figuring this out. Head in the sand anyone? Children indeed.

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of The Exorcist
Sent: 19 March 2008 02:29
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American Right


Actually, come to think of it, there are many times when rationale does not supersede instinct.
Have you ever heard of "Fight or flight"? It's pre-programmed baby. All animals respond to stressors.

There are some intrinsic facets of the human being that will be there whether you like it or not. 
As advanced as our brains are we still have base needs. Some more than others. Some people have
the capacity to differentiate between good and bad some don't.

Animals will invade other animals areas to get at better food and location. Have you ever read up on the bears
when they come out of hibernation and go to catch fish. They all fight over the best spot to catch the most fish.
We're quite similar.  

What defines the collective good? Is there really an answer? Say everyone in a group has the same goals
and they all work towards it. One day Jack meets Lucy, falls in love with her and they become a couple. John
on the other hand who might be a really great guy also loves Lucy but he can't get her because she is with Jack.
John will have a sense of jealousy or rage or some other emotion that will make him dislike Jack. BOOM! There
goes the social niceties. How about equally dividing portions of food. One fellow is huge and gets more food than a
smaller fellow. However one small fellow happens to have a voracious appetite and needs more food than others 
his size (I'm not referring to gluttons here). That would cause an issue as well. These might not be the best examples 
but you get the gist.

As much as you want to make a mutual co-op of mankind it will not happen as there are always individual needs that
need to be met. And as many as there are that are willing to sacrifice there will be just as many that won't. The ones that
won't will cause issues and people will have to learn how to deal with that. If a wrong is done then there will be a punishment.
That will lead to more angst amongst family and friends etc... 

Needless to say, we must all strive to better ourselves as individuals. However we should also be aware of the world
around us and not fool ourselves into thinking all is well.  Ask those people that want to instill extreme sharia law to the world.
Trust me, as nice as you are, it won't matter.

Wait till you see all the kids who play soccer these days with no "loser", every game is a tie yadda yadda. Everything is nice
and tidy to them. But when they get older and things get difficult they will have no clue how to deal with this "unexpected" event.
It scares the shit out of me. Yet people seem to believe that it will work. The truth however, is that it simply won't.

A world of clones with no individuality will lead to ignorance and emptiness.

Cheers,
Me

At 07:57 PM 3/18/2008, you wrote:



I know there's also evidence of "primitive" cooperative societies where the food was shared and stuff. But I think the main weakness in your point (isn;t that what the BBC people call the news in the UK) is in comparing human behavior to the evolution of animals. Humans are the only animals that can significantly control their environments, b/c are brains are so friggin' evolved (esp. among Joke fans)! We are able to choose behaviors that go way beyond remnants of our evolution. In fact, we often  choose behaviors that are worse than those related to our animal roots--e.g., invading other countries. SO i think it's a mistake to say that we are programmed to be mean, when humans can display a huge range of behavior. The point is to develop a culture in which mutually cooperative behaviors are chosen (and I know you'll probably say that what's good for one person is bad for another, etc. but i think working for the collective good actually works best).


Regardless of your inferior opinions, I'll always be willing to sit down
and allow any of you to buy me a drink in order for me to elucidate you on
the errors of your ways. Life is too short. Your life, I mean, if you
don't change those opinions. Oh, it's your round. Yeah, bag of crisps
would be great. Salt and vinegar. I'll be on the bog...hey do you have any
stamps? I have to post something.


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