[kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American Right

[The Exorcist]

Baaaaaaa, if you ever feel like a right winger don't worry.
Just point to me and say "Sic' em!" :)

Alas it's getting late now and I must be off to bed so I can wake up early for
the David Icke Sermon!

Cheers,
Me

At 07:48 PM 3/17/2008, you wrote:

>Honestly babes, I don't know, I feel like some sort of right-winger on this

>list, eventhough I consider myself a left-leaning *realistic* liberal. All I

>want to do is smash the myths of the left as I was gullible enough to believe

>all that shit. Just as dogmatic & restrictive as the right, though less

>dangerous in the short-term. Still damaging, but the bloodshed happens at a

>different time in the process compared to right-wing systems. The left loves

>to patronise & censor - something that people who're interested in freedom

>would find to be anathema - I know I do! I just don't think much of this stuff

>matters that much, after all there are pros & cons to EVERYTHING. We have to

>accept that life is not & never will match our ideals. Equality for all - what

>a load of rubbish. Equality for all, except for the policy makers & untold

>other exceptions! Human nature seems to determine that no system can work

>because the weak-link is humanity itself! Back-handers anyone?

>

>I think we have to accept there will always be shit. I mean, what the fuck

>are we going to do about China? Nothing, other than some poxy boycotts,

>etc. I'm not happy that my kids are targetted by advertising & they of

>course need to be guided, whereas I personally don't get issues over

>billboards of beautiful people selling me Gucci, 'cos frankly it's losers

>trying to sell me an image/lifestyle/whatever. If one has to buy a

>lifestyle, it shows how terribly transparent they are. Skin deep, etc.

>

>Look, just because the masses want to buy everything they're sold, how

>different is that from whatever else the masses used to do in the past?

>Are we not all about freedoms, anyway? Or do these 'vulnerable' people

>need to be patronised? Frankly normaltons couldn't give a shit about all

>of this. They'd read your email & just wonder "what the fuck is he going

>on about?". Because they're too busy living life & not caring about

>anything but that.

>

>Yes, corporates suck cock, I totally agree. Tv dumbs down society. But

>are YOU dumbed down? Maybe the reality is that there will always be plenty

>people that are self dumbed-down anyway? Genuinely, I think we're fighting

>a battle against the nature of mankind itself. I'd say the left ideals are

>no more realisable as the right-wing - it will work for a bit, but will

>eventually be about as sturdy as a sandcastle. In fact, I don't think ANY

>system will work, because one size will never fit all.

>

>So, this utopia you mention, wherein there are *positive* messages all

>around, where people are treated nicely & so on. When is that going to

>happen? Sounds a bit like 'Logans Run' to me! Maybe the idea of US v/s

>THEM is a fundamental part of human nature?

>

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn

>Sent: 17 March 2008 23:06

>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

>Subject: Re: [kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American

>Right

>

>

>Yeah I hear you, but I just think that the negative social messages

>portrayed by corporates and the press (same thing) that I'm talking about

>are too intrusive, and the target audience is too vulnerable.

>

>Does it not bother you that you drive through the city and practically

>wherever you are, you can't avoid catching billboards featuring the most

>beautiful people they can find, surgically enhanced, gymmed up, fake tan,

>expensive clothes, expensive photoshoot, photoshopped...who can live up to

>that?! And the messages they portray, the smug aloof superior looks on their

>faces..."This shit is exclusive! Only top grade pussy wears Gucci...you

>could never interest anyone that sexy..."

>

>We're fucking devolving, maaaaaan.

>

>And what is the alternative? Cities could be made to actually look

>beautiful, messages could be positive messages about US as opposed to US vs

>THEM (the beautiful people vs the masses...the rich vs the poor, the

>discerning vs the plain, the popular vs the losers, the SPECIAL vs the drab)

>

>The statistics are overwhelming...the amount of ads on children's tv for

>nutritionless harmful super-sweet food vs healthy food that will actually

>benefit them in some way, the bullshit collaboration between the press and

>govt / corporate lobby groups, the OWNERSHIP of the press by corporates with

>no social responsibility, etc etc. It's all very well saying 'hey you can

>opt out at any time' but it's not that easy. (I just gave my telly away,

>that helped a lot). I've seen it intensify since I was a kid...back in the

>day when I was a kid the telly wanted to sell me sports equipment, lego and

>other toys that would actually enhance my learning, and yes, plastic pieces

>of shit at McDonalds and junk food, now kids are getting pressure to have a

>cellphone, dress like an adult way before they are out of childhood, behave

>like the vapid actors and actresses on the faux reality-tv programmes about

>spoiled LA brats...

>

>NOTHING TO SAY!

>

>(Olly where are you when I need you hippie, back me up here I've gone out on

>a limb and I'm starting to invent words to bloster my argument. Or Greg,

>you're completely wrong about Soundgarden but you're the leftist of the

>bunch, you're needed at the front! ;)

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

>Behalf Of ade

>Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2008 11:30 a.m.

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American Right

>

>Dude, if people want to be smug fucking thin-veneered shallow motherfuckers,

>what's new??!! Ooh, I've got a lifestyle, I've got a fancy car, etc, etc.

>That's THEM. Don't *just* blame consumerism - people like that would do it

>anyway... sometimes I think the lefty point of view just doesn't get that

>*many* people are vile !!!!  Ooh, let's all cuddle-up & send bad vibes to

>the corporates - lol !!!

>

>Don't you see that this is all about human communication? Constantly

>evolving. The pendulum swings both ways... as do you! ;)

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn

>Sent: 17 March 2008 22:19

>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

>Subject: Re: [kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American

>Right

>

>

>A lot of us went dark at that Manic twat for trying to sell us his

>merchandise when this list was created for KJ fans to discuss KJ etc...so I

>suppose you could say Facebook conjures in some people a similar

>sentiment...although I agree the circumstances are a bit different. One of

>the author's main gripes is the cynical commodititisation,

>electronification, and distancification of basic human interaction, if you

>follow my invented words. The popularity contest with friends lists, that's

>the kind of stuff that REALLY gets on my goat, personally. I mean what,

>aren't all the bullshit messages on billboards, tv, magazines, movies etc

>enough to convince us that life is all about material wealth, populatiry,

>and physical beauty?! The message is so overwhelmingly

>prevalent...personally it disgusts me. Some areas seem to be chock full of

>people all with the perfect haircut, sunglasses, clothes, car etc, and they

>just radiate smug / superior. It's sickly. I could easily turn into one of

>those people if I wanted, but why? I'd quite honestly prefer hanging out

>with EMOs :)

>

>Re. the sale of personal information to corporates (personal information

>such as bands you like, your location, age, gender, etc). I think he has a

>point, and I think it's relevant to discuss the motives of the creators of

>Facebook too. He may have gone a bit rabid on it...perhaps.

>

>In terms of conspiracy 'theories'...a question: When a conspiracy theory

>becomes a conspiracy reality...do people take notice? Another question...how

>many people think that Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald? How

>many people with any basic understanding of physics, think that...?

>

>As Bill Hicks said...Back and to the left...back and to the left...

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On

>Behalf Of ade

>Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2008 10:16 a.m.

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American Right

>

>Pat-ster,

>

>I'm surprised you can't see just what a heap of sh!t that so-called

>article is. Wow - big money people invest in things that could be big.

>NOT ONCE have I had to divulge any information such as purchasing

>preferences, ID card details (what fucking ID card??? Is he writing

>from the future???), etc, to Facebook HQ whilst setting up or using

>my account. I find it useful to keep in touch with people from work.

>Neither have I had to divulge anything to Myspace - I have a load of

>Myspace pages for music projects. It's somewhere to upload mp3's!

>

>And if you think I'm blind to it, a) I'm *proper* paranoid, lol &

>b) I'm a 'techie' - I don't just sign up for anything. I don't want

>the scum to know ANYTHING. In fact, I rarely register for *anything*

>on the web.

>

>Now, did you post that turd? I bet they'll be x-raying the package.

>They're watching you... ;)

>

>

>ade.

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of iPat

>Sent: 17 March 2008 18:22

>To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Subject: Re: [kj] ot: We Want Everyone - Facebook & The New American

>Right

>

>

>A shame i wasted my useful time reading that email

>i wonder if i could pen a patronising bit of drivvel as well

>

>Who knows, maybe e can get some prick to autograph it, though it might

>hide behind pseudonyms to give itself a false platform of

>intelligence.

>

>ill call it

>

>"a fart under the covers"

>

>off now, feel a shit coming on. I ll send it somewhere.

>

>On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 4:23 PM, The Exorcist

><killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com> wrote:

> >

> >  A shame I wasted my useful time reading that crap.

> >  I wonder if I ought to pen a long article about that as well!

> >

> >  Who knows, maybe I can have Mr. Tom Hodgkinson autograph it. Though he'll

> > probably use a

> >  false signature to avoid detection... Just in case.... Ya know?

> >

> >  I'll call it

> >

> >  "Angry male who sees conspiracies everywhere and despises successful

>people

> > who have

> >  different political views than he does".

> >

> >  Maybe I'll submit it to The Guaridan as well. I've heard that they like

>to

> > publish some really crappy articles.

> >

> >

>iPat

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and allow any of you to buy me a drink in order for me to elucidate you on
the errors of your ways. Life is too short. Your life, I mean, if you
don't change those opinions. Oh, it's your round. Yeah, bag of crisps
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