[kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

[Alexander Smith]

I was always stumped by the tonsorial/sartorial trajectory that The  
Cure took. In most cases, bands *START* with a flamboyant, theatric  
look -- and then gradually abandon it when their music takes the  
(deserved) front seat. In terms of The Cure -- go back and look at  
their pics and videos from their first few albums. They dressed like  
relatively normal -- albeit slightly anti-social -- British youth. It  
was only circa PORNOGRAPHY or so that they really seemed to go all  
Adams Family.

I suppose Robert has the last laugh, but really -- he's starting to  
look like Marlon Brando circa "Apocalypse Now" in drag.

Alex in NYC


On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Brendan wrote:


> I think when you're stll dressing like that FAR beyond the time when

> Freddie Mercury dropped the whole thing...you're either committing  

> social

> suicide (slowly) or forging some kind of new path.

>

> Perhaps he is the übermensch?

>

>> Not to sound stuffy and prudish, but isn't he getting a bit old to

>> still be dressing up like that? Sheesh.

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>> On Mar 4, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Arachne wrote:

>>

>>> Right :)

>>> "Fat Bob"? nooo, it's just the make-up:

>>> http://hittmanka.fotosik.pl/albumy/384418.html

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> 2008/3/1, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>:

>>> I bet it's not only Porl with the moobies...

>>>

>>> Yeah, Fat Bobs playing on that & 'A Hundred Years' offa the 'Cure in

>>> Orange' gig is fucking amazing. Well worth a listen. One of the best

>>> & most underrated guitarists from the post-punk era. I'd say ;)

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>> ]On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn

>>> Sent: 29 February 2008 23:18

>>> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>>>

>>> Was wondering when you were gonna pipe up, I know you love A Forest…

>>> I saw it live last year and man…it was great.

>>>

>>>

>>> The track to me could be nothing but evocative of A Forest…that'd be

>>> my call. Even the tones & layering…

>>>

>>>

>>> Bob's look…no comment, other than Freddie Mercury said when he

>>> dropped the make-up and Zara Rhodes dresses and shit…it's something

>>> that you do to express yourself when you're young, and that's cool

>>> because it's an honest expression, but you start to look ridiculous

>>> if you do it when you're older J

>>>

>>>

>>> Especially if you've put on a bit of weight.

>>>

>>>

>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>> ] On Behalf Of ade

>>> Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2008 11:19 a.m.

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>>>

>>>

>>> It *is* a very good homage. Maybe they're hoping no one will  

>>> notice ;)

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>> ]On Behalf Of Termite

>>> Sent: 29 February 2008 22:11

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>>>

>>> Then I beg to differ, it is clear that Transmission have either

>>> directly sampled the start of the FULL     version of A Forest as

>>> off Seventeen Seconds and added echo/reverb into the mix, or

>>> blatantly used the same notes with a similar sound, as Nirvana did

>>> with Come as You Are (Although they did try to disguise it by

>>> changing the tempo, whereas Transmission haven't.)

>>>

>>>

>>> Regardless of them calling the track "Glade" doesn't make any

>>> difference, If Robert Smith was aware of this song and the lack of

>>> credits I think that The Cure would have a valid case to sue should

>>> they wish too.  Use someone elses sound then you should

>>> credit....look at the whole mess with Bittersweet Symphony and The

>>> Verve/Rolling Stones for example.

>>>

>>>

>>> Anyone elses thoughts on it?  Its a fantastic homage regardless, but

>>> not crediting it I think its risky grounds.

>>>

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>

>>> From: Alexander Smith

>>>

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>

>>> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:36 PM

>>>

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth........................

>>>

>>>

>>> Don't punk out of your argument just because you're afraid of a

>>> little dissent. This is a discussion forum, not a bully pulpit.

>>> Everyone's allowed their say. But each should also be prepared for

>>> others to beg to differ.

>>>

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Termite wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> And actually it is a Come As You Are/Eighties discrepancy, the

>>> keyboards at the beginning are identical to A Forest, same notes,

>>> same sound, same tempo even.

>>>

>>>

>>> Massive Attack acknowledged their sample of 10:15 Saturday Night on

>>> Mezzanine, no reason why Transmission couldn't have done the same

>>> same and credited Smith/Tolhurst/Gallup in the sleeve notes!

>>>

>>>

>>> Ok back to my cave I guess better than to voice opinion on this

>>> forum.....

>>>

>>>

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>

>>> From: Alexander Smith

>>>

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>

>>> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:26 PM

>>>

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth........................

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I'm just suggesting that calling it a "rip off" is a bit crass and

>>> alarmist. I doubt the Cure are particularly bothered about whether

>>> the track is credited to them or not.  I mean, the damn track is

>>> called "Glade" (i.e. an open space in a forrest). It's clearly a

>>> reference and/or homage to the Cure track.

>>>

>>>

>>> This isn't a "Come As You Are"/"Eighties" sort of discrepancy at  

>>> all.

>>>

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Feb 29, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Termite wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I love Transmissions album, and I love The Cure too, if it was a

>>> homage then why not state so?  They were not trying to convince

>>> anyone that the track WASNT their own either?!?!, so maybe if you

>>> don't like to chose the words "rip off" then its "unreported homage"

>>>

>>>

>>> Has either Big Paul or Youth ever throughout any interviews stated

>>> they are Cure fans?

>>>

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>

>>> From: Alexander Smith

>>>

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>

>>> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:36 PM

>>>

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth........................

>>>

>>>

>>> I wouldn't call it a "rip off" so much as an obvious homage. There's

>>> NO MISSING that it's based on "A Forrest." A rip-off would imply

>>> that they were trying to convince people that the track was their  

>>> own.

>>>

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Feb 29, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Termite wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Tried listening to anything by Transmission?  That is Youth and Big

>>> Paul, sounds like a more ambient version of The Cure especially

>>> songs like Star Stella and Glade (A very close Cure's A forest

>>> instrumental rip off)

>>>

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>

>>> From: fluke fluke

>>>

>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>

>>> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:09 PM

>>>

>>> Subject: [kj] Youth........................

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>  Anyone know what kind of music he has been making recently?

>>> Is he still into Goan trance and techno and all that or has his

>>> tastes changed /

>>> I was wondering what direction the new impending KJ album will take

>>> because the Yyouth influence on the Pandemonium Album is all to

>>> apparent

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