[kj] [OT] Mugabe loses the opposition..

[Karen Weil]

Ade:

Um, first off, I'm definitely not a leftist, ade.
And I have not the slightest interest in forcing my views on anyone else. I don't consider valuing freedom and respect for the U.S. Constitution as being in the minority. 
Yes, the Left is plenty guilty of hypocrisy. But so is the Right. 
So I'm afraid you're off-base there, but I'm not interested in "getting" you, either. 
Nevertheless, I enjoy your thoughtful, sharp arguments. Carry on!

k.w.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ade 
  To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:54 AM
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  Hmmm.. aaaah... you sorta got me there! Really though, they're all as bad as each other & until something is done about changing the rules of the game, we're all pissing in the wind.

  You *do* realise that people that hold values like you & I are in the minority, right? We *are* simply a minority trying to force our ideal vision of a way of life onto the majority that couldn't care less. Think about how that fits in with a democratic system. The Greeks invented democracy, only to then vote in favour of numerous wars, to enrich Greece. Irony!!!

  Often we just have to put up with SHIT - shouting at the person that points out these truths only causes resentment & opens the door to extremism. Living with the reality that the world is full of horrors is part of life, it doesn't mean you don't care. You can often tell an extremist because they'll say anyone who has accepted the status quo has given up (more infighting, which makes 'average voter' even less interested). But extremists only bring extremes with them... revolution anyone? Shall we guillotine those that 'deserve it', ie Bush, et al? Not very compatible with the 'caring image' is it.

  The left doesn't live by its' own rules. I'd hear the rhetoric coming out of my mouth, but in the back of my mind I started to think "that isn't actually workable". The words can often be an 'acceptable' form of hate. Well, acceptable within one's own clan anyway. Neither the left or the right stand for 'truth'.

  Have a good morning/evening/weekend/bike-ride, etc.

  ade.
  Black Country
    -----Original Message-----
    From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Karen Weil
    Sent: 25 June 2008 01:15
    To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
    Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Mugabe loses the opposition..


    Uh, yeah -- I get that. 
    But Jimmy Carter isn't president any more , OK?

    k.w.
    San Diego 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: ade 
      To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
      Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:34 PM
      Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Mugabe loses the opposition..


      Karen, I think it's more to do with trying to point out that lefty heroes can be just as bad...
        -----Original Message-----
        From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Karen Weil
        Sent: 25 June 2008 00:29
        To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
        Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Mugabe loses the opposition..


        Yes, that truly horrendous judgement on Carter's part -- equally horrendous is the U.S. government's funding Saddam Hussein for a decade, when the evidence that he was a full-blown psycho was in, early. 
        Wow, you must really hate Carter, huh?

        k.w.
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: The Exorcist 
          To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) 
          Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:01 PM
          Subject: Re: [kj] [OT] Mugabe loses the opposition..


          But scum who was endorsed and promoted by Jimmy Carter. (Notice how Jimmy doesn't say a thing about zimbabwe?)
          Googling "Jimmy carter mugabe" has quite a bit of links. :)

          Cheers,
          Me

          At 03:18 PM 6/23/2008, ade wrote:

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            It's the only way to stop the violence. Let's face it, even if Tsvangirai won, Mugabe wouldn't give up his position anyway, so the whole thing is a joke.
             
            Absolute scum of the earth, mate.

              -----Original Message-----

              From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of folk devil

              Sent: 23 June 2008 20:07

              To: gathering at misera.net

              Subject: [kj] [OT] Mugabe loses the opposition..


              What the hell?


                
              "HARARE, Zimbabwe - Zimbabwe's opposition leader has fled to the Dutch Embassy saying he feared for his safety, while police on Monday raided his party's headquarters and took about 60 people away.

              Morgan Tsvangirai went to the embassy Sunday shortly after announcing he was withdrawing from Friday's presidential runoff against longtime leader Robert Mugabe, citing violence against opposition supporters, a Dutch Foreign Ministry spokesman said."



                
              http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080623/ap_on_re_af/zimbabwe;_ylt=ArfdJ1exyqEfrvAN_4xkw4as0NUE 





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