[kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...

[folk devil]

actually.."Rogue Nation" is a good one too...same author


Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:51:17 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo: gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...

You know, I think many people in the States are all for kicking Middle Eastern ass, because as
far as they're concerned, they've done nothing to deserve attacks such as 9/11. Successive
administrations have fucked with the M.E. so much, that the whole place is finally fighting back.
 
The people who have been let down here are the public who frankly haven't a clue what's been going
on in their name, have been attacked & are now on the defensive.
 
Thoughts?

-----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Karen WeilSent: 18 June 2008 18:43To: saulomar1 at yahoo.com; A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...
Sade1: 
 
Appreciate and understand your passionate response. My statement about well-meaning is it seemed like that at the time. It doesn't mean it was. This country has opened such a Pandora's Box in the Mid East, and now its reaping the consequences. And sadly, there is a segment in the U.S. that still doesn't get it and unfortunately, they vote en masse and as a bloc, while most Americans stay home on election day -- and that's why we've had the disgrace we've had for the last 7 years. But you probably don't need me to tell you that.
(Also, Saddam invaded Kuwait because we essentially told him he could, in April of '90.) 
Off my soap box now.
 
Keep the faith,
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: sade1 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:24 PM
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   I dont think U.S. policy was at all well meaning, and as for misguided, 
i thiink the U.S. stayed on-message the whole time.
   From what i've read..
 - the U.S. covertly supported the election of the last 
   pre-Soviet president of Afghanistan because U.S. knew it would 
 - provoke the Russians to invade and 
 - with Ozzie bin Ladin and the proto-Taliban the U.S. would give the Russians 
                                                                            "your own Viet Nam.....!"  Pretty filthy and underhanded. 
 
  It's (somewhat) like a local land developer fomenting the wife to cheat on her 
husband and the husband to cheat with the au pair while helpting the kids grow 
a poppy field in the garden to keep 'em stoned -  just so the land developer can 
run off with the house/land during the final divorce proceedings. 
 
Ingenious!
 
... ... ... ... ... ... (looking at the current state of things)
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From: Karen Weil <karen.weil at sddt.com>Subject: Re: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2008, 6:40 PM



And little did we know ...
Yet another example of what seemed like at the time as well-meaning (but ultimately very misguided) foreign policy.
 
 
ciao,
 
k.w.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Brendan Quinn 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:23 PM
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And the US supported the Taliban at the time as a proxy to fight the Russians, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
 




From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of adeSent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 9:37 a.m.To: gathering at misera.netSubject: [kj] [KJ] OT: Afghantsi on UK channel More4 now...Importance: High
 
On MORE4 right now, Afghantsi, a documentary about the soviets in Afghanistan . Filmed during the occupation, from the Soviet POV, literally, not propaganda. 
The squadies thought it wouldn't be that difficult... 
 
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