[kj] the mind lives on or.....

[Brendan Quinn]

Fail. 

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of ade
Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 9:08 p.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] the mind lives on or.....

 

No system is perfect !

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
Behalf Of Brendan Quinn
Sent: 17 June 2008 05:18
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] the mind lives on or.....

Tell me what you think about the doctrine of non-resistance to evil, which
is one of the principles of Buddhism? 

 

My opinion is that it’s one of the best ways to ensure the supremacy of evil
and has the opposite effect to that intended, in that if followed
wholeheartedly by a large enough percentage of any given intelligent race,
dooms that race to never reach the Buddhist goals of enlightenment, or
anything close to it. This is assuming that all life in the universe, if
there is any outside the planet, is in conflict and competition. Otherwise
the doctrine would make perfect logical and ethical sense, however for us, I
can’t see how it does.

 

I’m not sure if it’s the natural consequence of a belief in the afterlife
and the supernatural, because I can imagine a belief system that
incorporates both of the above but doesn’t espouse non-resistance to evil.

 

I can’t really figure out how those Buddhist monks, with a combined uptime
of several million hours of meditation into the meaning of life, actions and
their consequences etc, came to such a conclusion, which has actually been
put into practice and is surely responsible for thousands to millions of
deaths? 

 

I would question everything else they have to say, until I can reconcile
this part of their belief system. Which I’m perfectly open to doing, if such
an explanation exists.

 


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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of ade
Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 10:57 a.m.
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] the mind lives on or.....

 

Excellently put! That pretty much sums up how I feel about this now. Shit
man, I couldn't

even FORCE myself to believe in that christian bullshit when I was a kid -
faith has to

come naturally. Deluding oneself is extremely hard work, as you say, unless
it's

applied in extremis.

 

However, no matter how much of a skeptic I am about these things, it doesn't
mean I

don't find them IMMENSELY interesting! History can help us, if we bother to
study it.

 

Buddhism seems to transcend everything - it seems 'modern' when it comes to
how we

think. Very impressive.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
Behalf Of sade1
Sent: 16 June 2008 23:38
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] the mind lives on or.....


 "O how ingenious the centuries of Lies...."

 


> the human animal certainly thinks a lot of itself. We're *special*

apparently

 

  Lol! that one's gold. 

 

  No one's ever proven any 'afterlife' and as time goes on psychological
analyses more 

and more disprove any given story of 'transcendence,'etc. and the faith
people put in these

things.

 

  I don't think we're that special; but we are special (because my mother
told me so). 

I think if we stop making excuses and rationalizations we'd appreciate Life
and the 

Living and won't wait until crisis to appreciate and love others, cuz once
you're dead - 

there is no getting anything back.  

  Except of course in someone else's afterlife - where everybody is an
emperor, 

mercenary head captain of a regiment of errant condottieri, royal vizier for
Tamerlane

or head courtesan to the Peacock Throne. 

(how come no one's ever a simple bricklayer, Eskimo chimney-sweep or
precolombian

rebel slacker first-born son in a peasant Mayan's home, Roman bathhouse
janitor or 

anonymous papermonger in Africa chillin' on the streets with Prester John?)

 

  I've read some books and scientific online forums that are finding more
and more messianic delusions (Mohammed, Saul/Paul of Tarsus,etc.) to be
temporal lobe 

epileptic seizures and visions of divine apparitions and interventions
(medieval Sister 

Katherine's visions are one example) are the result of someone being
molested by 

some abuser, violent assault, or being an abandoned toddler for an entire
weekend 

in a granary basement with a hostile rooster, whatever...

 

  But...whatever gets ya thru the night... 's alright. 

  I'm all for defense mechanisms as a short-term fix. Like in my old n'hood
if i was

if ever in possible danger i'd start to believe I actually cannot be killed,
even ended up

'calculating' (given the caliber of gun you hear being fired) that i could
take 1 maybe 2

rounds of a smaller caliber round - but nothing at all can actually kill me,
or so i would

think.

    Would get me thru the tough spots but it's not something i would go
preaching 

to others as being the gospel truth because even when I was actually
deluding myself 

i still couldn't buy half my own bullshit. 


"O how ingenious the centuries of Lies...."

... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current state of things)


'Save me..                                                

 save me from Tomorrow..                          
 I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   



--- On Mon, 6/16/08, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] the mind lives on or.....
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)"
<gathering at misera.net>
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 1:49 PM

My view? Whew! Don't start me!

 

It would be nice to think that souls go on, but I wonder if it's just
wishful thinking. I mean,

the human animal certainly thinks a lot of itself. We're *special*
apparently. You only have

to look at the behaviour of apes, etc, to see that's not entirely true...

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
Behalf Of melinda grant
Sent: 16 June 2008 21:36
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] the mind lives on or.....

well i was not beeing totally serious bong ;)  just put the tread out to see
what others reaction might be,yours is very interesting,and who says your
concept is not true ;)
 
ps ade whats your view


> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:19:16 +1200

> From: humanhybrid666 at gmail.com

> To: gathering at misera.net

> Subject: Re: [kj] the mind lives on or.....

> 

> i'm with melinda on this... =)

> i reckon when you die you lose all the sense perceptions related to

> the physical body... the faculty of smell taste touch etc, but the

> mind lives on in a somewhat dreamlike state...

> thus, those with a small mind may easily forget their worth - as in a

> dream - and be swallowed up by the ether, while others may hold on to

> their 'perspective' and maintain focus on the new afterlife

> environment.. dont hold me to any of this tho, its just a thought!

> 

> =)

> 

> 

> 

> On 6/17/08, melinda grant <hollytree1961 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > sade1 wrote-----

> >

> > "the mind cannot exist with out the body"

> >

> > can it not,thats to be debated,i and others believe it does ,and can

exist

> > with out the body,ok the body is the vessil,when the doby is finished

for

> > good,the mind lives on ;)!

> >

> > milinda ps but then again..... ;D))))) theres many sides to this coin

> > _________________________________________________________________

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