[kj] Blog entry at that new MySpace page of the KJ "documentary"

[Brendan Quinn]

No my point with Yoga wasn't that at all. What I said was that a lot of
people try to wrap up the EXPERIENCE of yoga in a few sentences, a la it all
comes down to meditation stretching relaxing and breathing to try to achieve
x kind of brain waves, or a trance-like state blah blah, which comes point
nothing of the way towards understanding the experience, as words never
really can for most things. You don't know shit about yoga if you've read a
book about it, compared to what you'd know having done 12 weeks of it with a
good instructor. You know? You may know more about the history, different
types etc, but you don't KNOW what it really is...to make my point a little
stronger, how much does a virgin doctor ACTUALLY know about sex...? not
reproduction or sexual pathology or blah blah blah...I mean the sex act.

ALMOST NOTHING. 

There's a lot to be learned from archaic words in my opinion, tells you a
lot about how certain thoughts and ideas developed. Apparently, not sure if
this is true, but heard recently that the word human derives from humus, a
root word for earth or soil...THAT kind of stuff I find really interesting.
So piss on someone else's chips! 

PS: Now you owe me TWO beers.

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Yep, Jaz's outpouring are up there on the level with Yoga, et al. As if.

Regarding said outpourings, I *am* the leading authority on this subject,
just as much
as any fucker else is, because Jaz randomly stitches fables & myths together
simply
to impress or prove a point. He's making it up.

I *tried* to experience these things with an open mind, but frankly I see
right through
them - can't help that. I didn't get stuck in a groove like Jaz clearly has.
I'm still learning,
maybe he stopped & found his so-called knowledge brought a different sort of
power &
gifts he hadn't expected. Like Jaz worshiping sycophants. How incredibly
punk.

If YOU wish to continue using archaic words & concepts to describe stuff we
know more
about now & have standardised names for, well go for it. To me, the idea
that I sometimes
open "trans-dimensional gates to the planet's cosmic harmonic energy" when
I'm playing
an instrument does not really wash. We ALL know these feelings, these
chemical
reactions - they're for ALL our pleasures, not just the priesthood.

Nevertheless, I love history, languages, origins of stuff, etc. Neither do I
have it in for Jaz.
He's one corner of KJ & that's enough for me. But I can't stand charlatans.
Or The Charlatans.



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Oh come on...of all the belief systems out there, this one strikes me as one
of the least negative and...well look at all the enjoyment we get out of The
Joke on a daily basis. They are SO unlike any other band, well something
must have been different in the mix yeah?

Jaz is quoted on the XXV DVD as saying, can't remember his exact words, but
basically...whatever you believe in, if it works for you, I'm all for it.
That's an opinion I personally don't share, but I will say this much, if
more religious people had that view, there would and would HAVE been a lot
less war and oppression.

I'm fascinated by the historical elements of the occult / esoteric,
examining the root meanings and origins of particular words whether they are
Greek, Hebrew, Latin etc, as well as the rituals and beliefs of our
ancestors before they were cannibalised by others for mass control...there's
also the element of mind experiments where you perform rituals and actively
try to modify your own software, re-wire your belief system, thereby gaining
a better understanding of your previous and current limitations, how much
input your nervous system outright blocks due to pre-conceived notions
etc...

Like Yoga...diminishing it down to something like 'trying to achieve alpha
or beta or whatever brain waves or a trance-like state'...I don't think it
does it justice. As the Tao says...the menu is not the meal. Words attempt
to describe something but they are not actually that thing. That was Robert
Anton Wilson's core message...impugning him with a holier than thou attitude
might make you sound authoritative to some...but how about actually
experiencing it, with an open mind, THEN writing your report? 

I can say from personal experience, growing up being hard-wired to believe
in Catholicism...to me it's a crock of shit. And I earned the right to say
that, the hard way.


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Importance: High

Well, I finally scanned through that pile of shite, sorry, I mean blog entry
from Jaz. The whole quest seems to be about this:

"     Geordie said to me (off camera) that they (the Band) had got very
close to the 'White heat'.
       We were talking about the 'White Heat Theory' and Gemetria Science
that Killing Joke use
      to work out the length of songs that are likely to be a hit.

      We talked with Jimmy Page (led Zep) about this and he also mentioned
this process... So
      some of the most successfully Bands had experienced a vibrational
hypnotic state whilst
      playing – Why? And what happens when this state occurs?

      It became clearer when we finished filming the first part of the story
– that you open trans-
      dimensional gates to the planet's cosmic harmonic energy."

So essentially, we're talking about musicians & this ' vibrational hypnotic
state whilst playing'. Well, I'm afraid they've looked too far, as they
could probably get a better answer from a nuerosurgeon, or anyone that knows
about the brains' different 'modes' or 'trance states' as they're more
commonly referred to. I've certainly felt this, though I've never thought it
mystical, but it's common enough for me to recognise it & think "is this
what all the fuss is about?" I see it as a mode & basically when playing, if
it happens, well that's a result. It's pretty much that point at which you
totally forget what you're doing & go into auto-pilot. The trick is to not
panic & start over-thinking again! THAT's when the mistakes creep in. Just
something as simple as playing along to Communion, getting into it & then
the strings kicking in can start to take you 'up'.

I'm sure ALL OF YOU have experienced this when listening, going to gigs,
etc. You might as well ask "why does good music give me goosepimples?" but
of course, that doesn't *quite* sound as dark/mystical as some Gemetria
bollocks.

I've never thought of it as "opening trans-dimensional gates to the planets'
cosmic harmonic energy", because that sounds like bollocks. We tend to look
OUTSIDE for answers to the inner questions, but the reality is that we have
much more to learn about our brains & bodies. I can only guess that a lot of
this mystical tat is pre-science attempts to explain these phenomena, but as
can be seen again & again, we'd rather jump to the conclusions of outside
influences/g0ds, than internal chemistry.

Anyone ever felt a 'rush'? Wow, that's not a burst of chemicals, that's g0d
filling your cavity, or whatever. Sad sad sad...




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Sent: 12 June 2008 11:22
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Cheers Olly.

I wanna see Tool involved, you couldn't find a musician more into all this
stuff than Danny Carey, and you'd also have to look fucking far and wide to
find a more badass drummer, as Frank put it...

The only band I can think of that could match Killing Joke for
occultishness...a cursory search of Tool sites will provide days worth of
reading about that aspect...so, get your cursors out...

And I can't wait to see what's up with the guy called Tony Assassin.

"Last call for Tony Assassin...boarding call for TONY ASSASSIN"

(Held up checking in his luggage...)

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Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2008 6:38 p.m.
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      [There is another blog entry -- an excerpt from Jaz's supposd
      "2009 book," that discusses all the cosmic parallels and esoteric
      meanings of Killing Joke symbology, events, all the "weird
      coincidences" that hint that there are greater, supernatural
      forces at play in this, uhm, post-punk band's career ... Basically
      a case of "6 degrees of separation" gone bonkers. - Oliver]





      From:
 
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=379876536&bl
ogID=399592573



      What do the The Giza Pyramids, Iona, Glastonbury Tor, the Nazca
      lines, Prague, the Occult, Flying Saucers, the earth's magnetic
      field, nuclear superconductivity, the Knights templar, Jimmy Page
      from Led Zep, Dave Grohl from the Foo Fighters, Czech Head of the
      Secret Police, a Franciscan Monk, a man arrested for playing
      Killing Joke's music, the renowned genealogist Sir Laurence
      Gardner, author of the controversial bestseller, 'Bloodline of the
      Holy Grail' and Killing Joke front man & megalomaniac
      extraordinaire, Jaz Coleman have in common?



      In short, what the hell is the Death & Resurrection Show?



      Only the Elohim knows. But hopefully you will find out soon enough.



      The twenty four-month labour of love has seen my Film Crew track
      ley lines, fly in a balloon, micro light planes over the giant
      drawings in Peru and duck machine gun bullets to filming actual
      white heat induction at a KJ concert.



      We hung out with inventors of anti gravity machines in New
      Zealand, Nuclear Superconductor Professors in America, trying to
      understand the Harmonics of Light and conducted an interview on
      the possible evidence of unusual hybrid alien – human mummified
      remains in Egypt.



      It sounds like a complicated web. And if you throw a stone, you'll
      hit a conspiracist.



      'Attention to detail! Attention to detail!' was the clear
      instruction from Jaz Coleman


      (Now the Reverend Jaz Coleman Esq.) when we talked about making
      this film.



      I had to regularly ask myself, for my own sanity and peace... How
      do you approach a project like this in a systematic way? A simple
      script evolving every day and 400 hours of footage later – in the
      end we just kept the cameras rolling sucking in the blood and
      annihilation of Reverend Coleman's prophetic words of fear from
      the Elohim's wrath of Nature gone mad.



      Geordie said to me (off camera) that they (the Band) had got very
      close to the 'White heat'. We were talking about the 'White Heat
      Theory' and Gemetria Science that Killing Joke use to work out the
      length of songs that are likely to be a hit.



      We talked with Jimmy Page (led Zep) about this and he also
      mentioned this process... So some of the most successfully Bands
      had experienced a vibrational hypnotic state whilst playing – Why?
      And what happens when this state occurs?



      It became clearer when we finished filming the first part of the
      story – that you open trans-dimensional gates to the planet's
      cosmic harmonic energy.


      And why do you do this? Mainly to understand our own fatality but
      more importantly it should seed the idea that as the human race we
      need to get our house in order and cleanses the earth of the
      corrupt and fear mongers.



      As the Reverend Coleman puts it, "We will all be judged and
      purified in the age of the water bearer, in the Millennium."



      What do I feel now..? Blooded but the act is done.

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