[kj] Congrats Obama

[ade]

What an outcome, eh! How terribly depressing that all we can do is make things worse.
 
I just can't agree that we need to deal with scum like Saddam (et al) in this way - in reality,
there's little that can be done without hardship being passed down to the people. These scumbag
governments are always going to exist & so-called people like Mugabe are loving every minute of
rubbing our noses in it.
 
Snipe him!
 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Karen Weil
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You said it, ade. 
 
k.w.

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> Saddam was....much nearer to being on 'our' side 


 

'Nearer' is putting it kindly. Saddam started off as an agent for the CIA.


 

... ... ... ... ... ... 
(looking at the current state of things)

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 I don't want to sail in this Ship Of Fools...!'   


--- On Wed, 6/4/08, ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk> wrote:


From: ade <ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama
To: "A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)" <gathering at misera.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 1:53 PM


I'm not even thinking about our reliance on oil, I just think if we get

out now, the place will become warlord/tribe controlled. I think anyone

who calls for removal of troops now doesn't give a shit about the people

left behind.



As soon as we went in, that was the death-sentence for any withdrawal

for YEARS. What a total fuck-up.



You know, Saddam was already dealing with religious unrest, bombings,

etc, on his own soil. The ironic outcome being that he was much nearer to

being on 'our' side when it came to Islamist nutfucks terrorising.

Whereas

the void will now be filled by well established battle-hardened Islamist

nutfucks. We've trained them up...





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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of T.B.

Sent: 04 June 2008 16:40

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Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama





"ade" wrote:






> Do you think the US should pull out of Iraq, asap ?




IMO, yeah, sure we should get out of the country asap.  The problem is, we 

can't.



We really screwed the pooch invading that country and severely 

underestimated the ability of the people there to become self-starters and 

govern themselves.  Not to mention our presence created a convenient place 

for every anti-American faction to gather, organize and fight us on 

basically their home ground further destabilizing the place.  Now, the 

moment we start pulling out in significant numbers, you'll see hardcore 

Islamic fanatics like the Taliban taking up the slack and overthrowing 

whatever fragile government might be in place and taking the country back to 

the stone age.



With oil at an all time high with no end in sight, any further major 

destabilization in global fuel sources will be catastrophic to the world 

economy.  Thus, while there may be a significant drawdown in combat troops 

in the next 5 years, we'll likely have a permanent military presence in the



region for decades to come.  With countries like China gobbling up more and 

more oil, there basically *has* to be a Western (translation: US) military 

presence in the region to prevent a full tilt invasion somewhere down the 

line from China or even Russia.



T.B. 



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