[kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)

[melinda grant]

oowwww you poor darling ;(  i feel for you,try hot chocolate made with hot mild,it will send you to sleep and give you good dreams as well ;D good luck with what ever you are doing ok,and dont worry its not worth it ok ;)> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 08:48:35 +1200> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To: gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)> > Haha, yeah best I could do at the time. Was up late because I had a> meeting with my incredibly useless ex lawyer who lost me a small fortune,> was going through all of that crap. Hard to get to sleep with my head> spinning with all the bullshit. Anyways looking like I might be able to> clean up his mess to some extent.> > "Liar lawyer what's ths difference"> > -Tool, The Pot.> > >> > brendan,your up late or should that be very eaerly ;)> >> > hope theres not another 9/11 in the future under obama(bin laden) sorry> > thats a real poor joke ;P> >> >> > From: bq at soundgardener.co.nzTo: gathering at misera.netDate: Fri, 6 Jun 2008> > 01:05:03 +1200Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats Obama/(9/11)> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yeah I’ll read you the boy who cried Wolfowitz…> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]> > On Behalf Of The ExorcistSent: Friday, 6 June 2008 12:55 a.m.To: A list> > about all things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] Congrats> > Obama/(9/11)> >> > Can you read it to me as a bed time story?I love fairy tales!> > :)Cheers,MeAt 04:40 AM 6/5/2008, Brendan wrote:> > The Wiki article on 9/11 conspiracy theories mentions that> > PopularMechanics article in particluar as being criticised> > itself:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/911_conspiracy_theories"While not> > supporting theories that the Twin Towers were brought down bypre-planted> > explosives, James Quintiere, Ph.D., the former Chief of theFire Science> > Division of the National Institute of Standards andTechnology and who was> > a Popular Mechanics panel member for theirdebunking of 9/11 Truth article> > disagreed with their conclusions. Callingfor NIST's investigation to be> > peer reviewed and for researchers andengineers to scientifically> > re-examine the WTC collapses he stated "Theofficial conclusion NIST> > arrived at is questionable….I hope to convinceyou to perhaps become> > Conspiracy Theorists, but in a proper way"DISCLAIMER: I haven't read the> > Popular Mechanics article or the guydebunking it, if someone else can and> > give me the Cliff notes I'd be muchobliged (and less exerted ;)(Towards> > the bottom under the heading "Criticism"> You might find this> > interesting.>> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html >>> > Have a glance in your spare time.>> Cheers,> Me>> At 11:14 PM 6/4/2008,> > Devacor at aol.com wrote:>>In a message dated 6/4/2008 6:55:14 P.M. Eastern> > Daylight Time,>>bq at soundgardener.co.nz writes:>>>>I am undecided on the> > whole idea of 9/11 conspiracy theories. One thing>>that does seem strange> > is that the 9/11 and London train bombings both>>apparently coincided with> > drills for those exact same scenarios.>>>>Also a bit strange that WTC7> > collapsed, right down the middle when it>>didn't even take a hit.>>>>I did> > read a better debunking of some of the conspiracy theories, esp the>>one> > about the jet fuel not reaching the temperature required to destroy>>the> > steel foundations of the WTC buildings. As the engineers explained,>>the> > steel only needed to be heated to the point of structural>>> > deformation,>>not actual destruction.>>>>>>As for the Pentagon hit. I was> > under the impression these "guys">>just half ass flew this plane and> > plopped it down on top of the>>pentagon- come to find out, whatever hit> > the pentagon hit the very>>front of it going top speed and parallel to the> > ground flying>>parallel just a few feet off the ground. I live maybe 20> > mins from>>the Pentagon and know the terrain pretty well- there isnt> > anyone I>>know who lives here and knows how the pent actually got hit> > who>>believes that a plane of that size got parallel to the ground> > full>>speed and hit it like it did- I know someone who worked at> > the>>pentagon then and someone who works right next to it and the> > def>>dont believe it. Not even with a highly trained pilot what to> > speak>>of the hack "hijackers" who flew it- and if so, why would anyone> > go>>about it like that, where that is beyond high risk flying at> > top>>speed a few feet off the ground when you could much easier fly> > down>>on it at an angle towards the middle of it. Also whatever hit> > it>>proceeded to punch very neat tight holes into the inner rings> > which>>is tons of concrete and steel..there wasn't any huge explosion> > or>>big initial mess.>> Now although no one believes it, no one also> > really wants to take>> it to the next step and say "well then what was it> > and why"? ->> That's a whole other can of worms.>> Also first accounts of> > sightings (calls in) of whatever hit the>> pentagon was that a small> > ,sleek couple passenger jet flying very>> low to the ground at a very high> > speed was heading in that direction.>> I knew of the Pentagon> > inconsistencies initially- it wasn't until>> later that I heard of the WTC> > issues and inconsistencies (most>> people only hear about the WTC part of> > it). The more common things>> mentioned (jet fuel, puffs of smoke etc) are> > really just one part>> of it- those could go either way if you really> > looked at it- if>> those were the only things a little fishy then it could> > be a toss>> up, but there is much more to it then that (red flag wise)-> > The>> WTC7 of course very much is but there is much more then even that.>>> > I personally would have thought that 9/11 people were over>> reacting and> > looking into things that weren't there if I didn't>> look into it some> > myself. In order to really do so you have to look>> into it more then what> > "Penn and Teller" have to say and also get>> past our own cognitive> > dissonance.>> I've known totally "nonbelievers" who went on to read the> > accounts>> and saw the docs and totally changed their minds...never met a> > non>> believer who went and did all of that and still remained a non> > believer.>>I definitely am not one who wants to or has to believe my> > government>>has hidden agendas and/or is corrupt. It doesn't do me any> > good to>>have that be the fact if it is the case...>> Though if something> > smells like a rat right in front of my face, I>> cant discount it just> > because it doesn't do me any good or not fit>> into my present belief> > system...>>>>>>Adam Helfer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>---------->>Get trade secrets> > for amazing burgers.>><> > http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002> > >Watch>>"Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL> > Food.>>_______________________________________________>>Gathering mailing> > list>>Gathering at misera.net>>> > http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering>> Competition is a> > barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social> Darwinism.> We cannot> > allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone> else's> > gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers> contribute>> > to the society and winners take away from it. 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