[kj] Congrats Obama

[The Exorcist]

"I didn't say the rest of the world, I said like other Western 
industrialized nations"

I don't think it needed clarification. I highly doubt someone would 
misconstrue what I said into
the US needing to be like Iran or any other non westernized state.

The US has a bit of everything from "some part of the planet". That's 
what makes it unique. To
pick and choose one thing in common with some other country is quite 
daft. The US is a huge melting pot.

The US does a damned fine job for it's people. Regarding public 
education, the amount of money spent is
crazy. It's just sad that the money given to the educators is wasted 
on shit like "taking kids to the grocery
to learn how to shop and interact with shopkeeps and shop workers". 
When the US has tough tests you
have the liberal loons crying and bitching that "the tests are to 
hard for the kids, we need to make it easier".
The poorly educated Americans are not due to a lack of effort. It's 
due to misguided individuals who fuck
everything up. (Oh yes, and also editing or removing Mark twain books 
because some things are "offensive")
Making college tests easier and allowing ppl. with lower scores 
access just for the sake of it... is pathetic.

CUNY quite a few years ago was considered a diploma paper mill. The 
degrees meant nothing and the schools
had no respect. They let anyone in and it damn near destroyed the 
system. They decided to make the standards
higher and tougher and things have improved immensely. Although now 
you have the radical left trying to bring it down
again and saying that it's not fair.

Regarding freedom of religion, there is no place as diverse as the US 
and all can do as they please (within the limits of law,
so yeah, fucking a 12 year old is a no go).

Has far less better outcomes? I'd love to know on what you base this. 
I'd also love to see how many countries have health care
available to as many non constituents (illegal aliens) as the US. Not 
to mention how many people come to the US for special operations.
Have you read on how many hospitals have closed down because of these 
ppl.? Do a quick search on hospital shutdowns in California.
It's horrific! If one needs an operation you don't have to wait 8 
months to see a damn Dr.

It's not cheap and it's not perfect but it sure as hell does not 
deserve the abuse it gets. When someone bitches, you know what?
Let 'em go to Cuba...

Protect and defend peoples' health? It's a capitalist system not a 
socialist system. Gov't interference should be extremely limited.
Plenty of health issues are directly related to an individuals lack 
of maintenance. When I have Mike Bloomberg taxing the fuck out
of a pack of cig's for the sake of "my health" that's bullshit. You 
make healthcare free to everyone the entire medical system would
go to shit.

Look at the housing market and the whole subprime mess. It was 
started because the gov't FORCED banks to give out loans and
mortgages to individuals who could not afford them. They wanted to be 
"fair", to enable the poor folk to have houses. Well they got it and
look what happened. It wreaked havoc and caused losses across the 
entire market. And those ppl. who got the loans from the bank...
Guess what. They lost their fucking houses because they never could 
afford it! Not everyone will have a house, not everyone will have
a car, not everyone will have a yacht and not everyone is entitled to 
everything. You work for it and hopefully get it.

When I say protect and defend it's not only militarily. They have to 
protect the consumers from fraud and price gouging. They need to
allow and defend the people their right to live life as they choose. 
Not allow changes to be imposed by third party entities. I can go into more
detail but I'm sure you get the gist of what I'm saying.

Healthcare for kids, the disabled and elderly, I support it and it is provided.
Free healthcare for everyone? Absolutely not.

Look at welfare, it used to be a free for all and people were content 
to sit on their asses and do nothing.
When the laws were changed and made stricter, people had some 
motivation to get up, get a job and stop
feeding of the working class like a buncha pariahs.

Large bureaucracy is no good for anyone.
You'll just end up with the committee on the committees for the 
committee created to over see the committee for committees.

Best Wishes,
Me


At 12:50 AM 6/4/2008, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

>I didn't say the rest of the world, I said like other Western 

>industrialized nations. Right now when it comes to US eligioisty, 

>executions etc., we're much more like the Middle East. So the US is 

>"like everyone else" in some parts of the planet, Ironically, the US 

>wants a pluralistic demoracy w/ public eductaion, freedom of 

>religion, and a European style hc system for Iraq, a generosity it 

>barely extends to its own people.

>

>You're right, the US should do what's in its own interests. Those 

>would be adopting some sort of universal coverage (US pays 16% of 

>its GDP, more than any other OECD nation, but dos not guarantee 

>coverage like they do, has far less better outcomes, etc. Average 

>OECD expenditure on health care is about 9% of GDP, and those are 

>countries that guarantee health care -- Japan, Australia, Spain, 

>germany, Switzerland, etc., etc.)

>

>If the govt' is here to protect and defend, it could start 

>protecting and defending peoples' heath. Or do you mean it just 

>needs to be a fist-pumping jingoist military garrison state or 

>something? "Protect and defend its people" is what anyone would 

>claim they want, and there are multiple ways to do that. Bt by 

>industrialized world standards, we're a sorry lot. By 

>non-industrialized nations' standards we're par for the course.

>

>-Oliver

>

>

>The Exorcist wrote:

>>YAY. WOOOHOO! Join the rest of the world be like everyone else.

>>Gimme a break. The US should do what's in its best interest for its people.

>>It's not a fucking popularity contest to get "the world" to love you.

>>The Gov't is here to protect, secure and defend. Not baby sit.

>

>Competition is a barbaric, insensitive ritual that reeks of social Darwinism.

>We cannot allow the fittest to survive on our pages. Your loss is someone

>else's gain, and your gain is someone else's loss. Therefore, losers 

>contribute

>to the society and winners take away from it. Being a winner is 

>unethical, while

>a society of losers is happy and striving as a collective. In the 

>spirit of diversity,

>inclusiveness, and collectivism our contests shall have no winners.

>Everyone is declared a loser, which in our book means an ethical team player.  

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