[kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims
Brendan
bq at soundgardener.co.nz
Wed Jul 23 23:19:18 EDT 2008
If you have callouses you're on the Island, easy money. You guys
over-complicate things, my solutions are so self-evident.
Everyone in organic warpaint = no racial disharmony
Everyone slogging mud-brick = no elitism.
Me being the only one with a copy of the Manifesto means you'll never have
to worry about having to educate yourselves...except I may offer a course
in Wheel-Barrow 101.
> Personally, I have always looked for experience in job applicants over
> qualifications. It's not difficult to do well at education. It's somewhat
> harder to apply yourself in the real world and make a success of it.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]
> On
> Behalf Of ade
> Sent: 23 July 2008 16:40
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims
>
>
>
> <<I would take notice (as an employer) of someone with a poxy degree from
> Northampton former Poly now Uni over someone with nothing at all - don't
> you
> think that studying for 3 years shows some sort of ambition/application?>>
>
>
>
> The main JIZZt of this argument is school-based education. And no, I don't
> think education for all is the success that it was hoped to be. You, I or
> the govt. can't force the masses to do something they don't want to do...
> in
> normal circumstances.
>
>
>
> Neither is this about being against education, hardly, but the fact that
> they're massaging the figures to make it look like it's working, whereas
> it's onlyworking for the people who take it seriously. Of course, council
> estates are full of burgeoning doctors, neurosurgeons, etc & I'm totally
> wrong ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On
> Behalf Of Rob Horan
> Sent: 23 July 2008 16:30
> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
> Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims
>
>> what's wrong with that??
>
>
>
> Well, it devalues educational results, which in turn makes it difficult
> for
> employers to judge who actually has the abilities they need, to the point
> where they begin to take no notice of so-called qualifications.
>
>
>
> <<I would take notice (as an employer) of someone with a poxy degree from
> Northampton former Poly now Uni over someone with nothing at all - don't
> you
> think that studying for 3 years shows some sort of ambition/application?>>
>
>
>
>> employ them, you'll soon see..........
>
>
>
> That's a lot of time-wasting though, isn't it? Having to employ them to
> find
> if they're any use, then getting rid of them, then getting someone else,
> ad
> infinitum. A few more steps *at least* than would normally be required.
> I'm
> sure your time is more valuable than that?
>
>
>
> << sorry, you've taken me literally...I meant go through the process ie.
> elaborate interviewing - employers need to be cleverer at this these days,
> we are..>>
>
>
>
> This isn't about elitism, I only have a state school/college education
> myself, but what's the point of ruining something to appear to have done
> something, only for everyone to find out later that things are actually
> worse, rather than better?
>
>
>
> << I haven't heard an argument yet that doesn't smack of elitism...btw.
> are
> things worse? I've employed sales and technical bods since 96 and the
> scope
> appears to be miles better.>>
>
>
>
> As for the 65% who you reckon have no aspiration to further their
> education,
> well, erm, maybe they don't want to? I certainly remember the majority of
> kids from school NOT going onto further education because "Why the fuck
> would I want to do that?!!", etc. Whereas because I wanted to do IT, I
> *had*
> to go for further education anyway, not many ways 'round that, unless I
> had
> money for industrial certification.
>
>
>
> <<so why is it now that it's so much easier to get to uni, that there's so
> many more students? they aren't all middle class with daddy's money
> getting
> them through, most appear to have huge debts when they graduate. re the
> "Why
> the fuck would I want to do that?!!" what are they doing now? you reckon
> that attitude got them (in general) where they wanted to go? God, now I'm
> sounding elitist - am just saying that there's nowt wrong with educating
> yourself, you obviously believe that...>>
>
>
>
> Shit man, it couldn't actually be as simple as that could it? Or maybe
> it's
> that their parents told them to get down the factory once school finished?
> When my cousin left school & wanted to go to college to become a Nursery
> Nurse & her dad told her to just get down the factory - did that not
> happen?
> Or when my next door neighbour left school & wanted to do the same as my
> cousin & (there's a pattern forming here..) her dad told her to stop
> messing
> about & get down the nearest factory, that didn't happen either?
>
>
>
> <<bet it doesn't happen as much these days (not that many factories left
> haha) because there's so much more to do if you study, no?>>
>
>
>
> Education for all... was the dream... but it was only an idealistic dream
> that the masses weren't interested in.
>
>
>
> <<they are interested, I bet the figures back me up>>
>
>
>
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