[kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims

[Brendan]

The pyramid temple atop Killing Joke island will be a pointed (pun
intended) reminder that we are indeed not all equal.

;p


>

>  hi ade how are you? anyway my 2pee

>

> so that every one is given an opportunity of sorts to gain similiar

> quals,equal opportunities and all that,but at the end of the day,we are

> not really all seen as equeal especially when it comes to obtaining a job

> with said qualifications!

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> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:52:49 +0100From: ade at the-lab.zetnet.co.ukTo:

> gathering at misera.netSubject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack

> claims

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>> So that we all ****look***** equal.

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> -----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Janean LancasterSent: 23

> July 2008 15:48To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims

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> <They made the whole country educated>

>

> <<<what's wrong with that??>>>

>

> Nothing, of course!  What I meant by my flippant use of “They made the

> whole country educated” was that they haven’t actually improved the

> quality of education; they’ve simply made it possible for everyone to gain

> a rubbish qualification.

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> So that we all look equal.

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On Behalf Of Rob HoranSent: 23 July 2008 13:37To: A list about all things

> Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race

> attack claims

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> <They made the whole country educated>

>

> what's wrong with that?? I remember a news report in the early nineties

> (it precipitated a long discussion with my Irish business partner) which

> stated Britain had one of the lowest intakes of tertiary education in

> Europe (around 35% compared to Ireland's 50%) - is this good?? I doubt it,

> how aspirational are the majority of the 65% who don't feel able to

> further themselves in education? My ex missus is always snotty and elitist

> about this New Labour policy, she went to Exeter Uni in the 80s.......

>

> <By lowering standards so much there’s no way of telling average people

> from the truly brainy.>

>

> employ them, you'll soon see..........

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On Behalf Of Janean LancasterSent: 23 July 2008 13:21To: A list about all

> things Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces

> race attack claims

> <<< Yeah, let's make

> it easier to pass the exams, that'll be great for the results, everyone

> will be able to get an A - aren't

> we doing well! >>>

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> That’s already happened.  Every year, without fail, we are told more kids

> are passing their exams and getting Grade As.  When I did my GCSEs in 1988

> I remember only one girl in my year getting all A grades.

>

> When New Labour came in in 1997 they banged on about “Education,

> education, education” – and didn’t they do well?  They made the whole

> country educated!  By lowering standards so much there’s no way of telling

> average people from the truly brainy.

>

> And as for praise for the sake of praise, how about the EMA?  Students at

> college only need to turn up to receive £30 a week.  Surely that’s the

> wrong kind of encouragement?

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On Behalf Of adeSent: 23 July 2008 12:17To: A list about all things

> Killing Joke (the band!)Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race

> attack claims

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>

> That's excellent Greg - we have none-stop intervention from our govt. &

> stupid do-gooders who are

>

> constantly changing the way we educate here. Making things 'more

> accessible'. Yeah, let's make

>

> it easier to pass the exams, that'll be great for the results, everyone

> will be able to get an A - aren't

>

> we doing well! FFS...

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> In the UK equality means that one child cannot be more intelligent than

> another - we're not that far

>

> from this now. It's almost as if the do-gooders despise clever kids who

> don't need their fucking hand

>

> held all the time. Sound familiar?

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> So much for diversity.

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> -----Original Message-----From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of GREG SLAWSONSent: 23

> July 2008 05:00To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the

> band!)Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims

> I pretty much agree w/ you on this Brendan. As a US high school special

> education teacher, I don't spend a lot of time giving paper-thin praise to

> my students--when they do get good grades, that's praise enough for them.

> (And I 'm pretty honest about telling them when they're doing well and

> when they're not). Also, about 10 years ago I worked teaching dyslexic

> adults how to read--they needed no praise at all; they were happier than a

> pig in shit every time their reading improved a bit!> Date: Wed, 23 Jul

> 2008 15:28:30 +1200> From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz> To:

> gathering at misera.net> Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race

> attack claims> > People, even kids, know when they are being patronised.

> Was reading an> article about a study that showed that kids who are

> regularly lauded for> 'effort' and 'trying hard', all that shit, well

> basically it has a> negative effect. Kids KNOW that performance and

> achievement is important,> all that smiley glad-hands treatment, giving

> kids certificates for turning> up to school twice in a row on time or not

> drooling over themselves> today...it's crap, and we're gonna end up

> breeding a population of> hapless, entitled cretins.> > I suppose often

> it's got the right intentions behind it, but we all know> the saying about

> the road to hell. Or was that an AC/DC song...?> > As a bit of a slow

> learner and awkward kid at school, what I actually> appreciated was some

> one-on-on with a patient teacher who took the time to> go through what I

> was having difficulty with, in a way tailored to how I> learned, away from

> the spotlight of other kids who were already good at> it. My reward was

> the achievement, then the good press from the teacher or> family or peers

> was genuine.> > > Mr. Okereke is also gay; either stuff.co.nz and Lydon's

> thuggish> > "associates" are unaware of this (I am not aware of Mr

> Okereke's uniform> > of> > choice being a glittery spandex catsuit and

> spaceman's helmet) or they had> > to concede that his being black was

> merely a more apparent target.> >> > I have also met many people who have

> attempted to take advantage of what> > their behaviour implies they regard

> as a stigma; I'm equal opportunities,> > me> > - I'll be offensive to

> anyone who's offensive, regardless of their> > hangups.> > Did a lot of

> work with mentally & physically handicapped a few years back> > -> > they

> actively encouraged me to call them spackas (incidentally, great use> >

> of> > "spacka" in "Control", I thought). I concluded they were generally

> tired> > of> > the opposite treatment - the patronising deference.> >> >

> Darren> > Hungerford, UK> >> > NB My oldest friend, and recently my best

> man, is a Gaylord, so there's no> > agenda here.> >> >> > -----Original

> Message-----> > From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]> > On> > Behalf Of ade> > Sent: 22

> July 2008 12:33> > To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)> >

> Subject: Re: [kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims> >

> Importance: High> >> > Years ago, my asian/muslim mate (Moh) was

> recounting to me the time his> > car> > overheated & he was fucking about

> under the bonnet, trying to sort it out.> > He reminisced about how he

> went to a nearby shop to get some help & was> > embarrassed 'cos his hands

> were covered in oil & were black from it. It> > was> > just a conversation

> about car woes.> >> > At this point my black friend jumped in & started

> challenging seriously as> > to "What's wrong with having black hands?"> >>

> > It occurred to me & Moh that the prick was nothing more than a

> race-card> > playing wanker, of which there are MANY. You know, those

> people that my> > lefty friends don't believe exist.> >> > Sounds a bit

> like this story too, though I admit my bias in favour of> > Lydon.> >

> Nevertheless, I can imagine his thicko mates behaving in typical grunt> >

> fashion, but was that John? We shall see...> >> >> > ade.> >> > PS. I LOVE

> DOUBLE-STANDARDS, OF COURSE THEY DON'T HARM SOCIETY & BREED> > RESENTMENT

> - THAT'S FOR RACISTS. Whatever 'racist' means these days.> > INJUSTICE FOR

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