[kj] Sex Pistols singer faces race attack claims

Rob Horan Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk
Wed Jul 23 11:29:38 EDT 2008



> what's wrong with that??


Well, it devalues educational results, which in turn makes it difficult
for employers to judge who actually has the abilities they need, to the
point where they begin to take no notice of so-called qualifications.

<<I would take notice (as an employer) of someone with a poxy degree
from Northampton former Poly now Uni over someone with nothing at all -
don't you think that studying for 3 years shows some sort of
ambition/application?>>


> employ them, you'll soon see..........


That's a lot of time-wasting though, isn't it? Having to employ them to
find if they're any use, then getting rid of them, then getting someone
else, ad infinitum. A few more steps *at least* than would normally be
required. I'm sure your time is more valuable than that?

<< sorry, you've taken me literally...I meant go through the process ie.
elaborate interviewing - employers need to be cleverer at this these
days, we are..>>

This isn't about elitism, I only have a state school/college education
myself, but what's the point of ruining something to appear to have done
something, only for everyone to find out later that things are actually
worse, rather than better?

<< I haven't heard an argument yet that doesn't smack of elitism...btw.
are things worse? I've employed sales and technical bods since 96 and
the scope appears to be miles better.>>

As for the 65% who you reckon have no aspiration to further their
education, well, erm, maybe they don't want to? I certainly remember the
majority of kids from school NOT going onto further education because
"Why the fuck would I want to do that?!!", etc. Whereas because I wanted
to do IT, I *had* to go for further education anyway, not many ways
'round that, unless I had money for industrial certification.

<<so why is it now that it's so much easier to get to uni, that there's
so many more students? they aren't all middle class with daddy's money
getting them through, most appear to have huge debts when they graduate.
re the "Why the fuck would I want to do that?!!" what are they doing
now? you reckon that attitude got them (in general) where they wanted to
go? God, now I'm sounding elitist - am just saying that there's nowt
wrong with educating yourself, you obviously believe that...>>

Shit man, it couldn't actually be as simple as that could it? Or maybe
it's that their parents told them to get down the factory once school
finished? When my cousin left school & wanted to go to college to become
a Nursery Nurse & her dad told her to just get down the factory - did
that not happen? Or when my next door neighbour left school & wanted to
do the same as my cousin & (there's a pattern forming here..) her dad
told her to stop messing about & get down the nearest factory, that
didn't happen either?

<<bet it doesn't happen as much these days (not that many factories left
haha) because there's so much more to do if you study, no?>>

Education for all... was the dream... but it was only an idealistic
dream that the masses weren't interested in.

<<they are interested, I bet the figures back me up>>



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