[kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

[Brendan]

Mate I live in New Zealand, there's no corner more remote other than
Antarctica...I gotta pop out the back to put more kerosene in the
generator, back in a few days... ;)


>

> Try to do better next time, son, I you won't have to stand in the

> corner with the dunce cap on.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

> On Jan 28, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Brendan wrote:

>

>> Thanks Dad.

>>

>>>

>>> Killing Joke would be the first to tell you that they weren't Punks.

>>>

>>>

>>> And it's Lou REED, not Reid.

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Brendan Quinn wrote:

>>>

>>>> Well post punk is completely tied up to begin with, wherever Killing

>>>> Joke were from was gonna be the default de facto winner! They are

>>>> head and shoulders above *most* of the rest of that genre in so many

>>>> ways

 plenty of good competition, but shit
no one really with that

>>>> whole package, that plethora of unique attributes.

>>>>

>>>> I can’t comment too much about punk, but with my limited knowledge

>>>> I’d have to agree, the Ramones stuff sounds pretty boring to me to

>>>> be honest, like the same song over and over. Just my relatively

>>>> unqualified opinion at this stage. Whereas the Sex Pistols, it’s

>>>> absolutely dripping in invective, wit, sarcasm, outright attack on

>>>> the establishment, society, the audience

I don’t mind the New York

>>>> Dolls and Iggy, but a lot of that NYC scene just came across as

>>>> dirty and decadent. The UK WAS dirty and decadent, but the Sex

>>>> Pistols weren’t a celebration of that, a la Lou Reid, they were a

>>>> reaction against it.

>>>>

>>>> As are Killing Joke.

>>>>

>>>> So yeah, have to agree on the punk front, metal is another matter



>>>>

>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>> ] On Behalf Of ade

>>>> Sent: Friday, 25 January 2008 12:25 p.m.

>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>>>>

>>>>> that said:

>>>>> in general

>>>>> the best 70's punk came from the UK

>>>>> the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA

>>>>> the best post punk from the UK

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Incredibly well summarised, wulfdot - I agree!

>>>>

>>>> -----Original Message-----

>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>> ]On Behalf Of fluw

>>>> Sent: 24 January 2008 22:01

>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>>>> just stirring the pot this argument has been done to death

>>>>

>>>> but in defense of  link wray: he didn't have a mohawk or studs,

>>>> instead he had one lung (hence the lack of lyrics), a leather jacket

>>>> minus the studs and one seriously nasty guitar technique! but his

>>>> instrumentals cast far more punk attitude and atmosphere than an

>>>> albums worth of 70's punk.

>>>>

>>>> and no punk player worth a rats left nad would tell you he isn't

>>>> punk...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> anyone offering an opinion about punk whether - who, what, where,

>>>> when, how so - and hasn't ever picked up an instrument, jumped on

>>>> stage, taken a steamy gob or two hocked at 'em from the mindless

>>>> masses, and proceeded to win'em over - has no value to their

>>>> opinion.

>>>>

>>>> they have a right to their opinion ( to flush it that is ) but no

>>>> value

>>>>

>>>> that said:

>>>> in general

>>>> the best 70's punk came from the UK

>>>> the best 80's ( hardcore) punk came from the USA

>>>> the best post punk from the UK

>>>>

>>>> tw

>>>>

>>>> bongo wrote:

>>>> did he have a big red mohawk and a studded leather jacket, and

>>>> patches

>>>> all over his trousers??

>>>>

>>>> =)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On Jan 25, 2008 8:28 AM, fluw <fluwdot at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> punk started with link wray in 1958 with the tune rumble

>>>>>

>>>>> usa

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Mik wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Guess it all depends on your own personal definition of punk and

>>>>> how far

>>>>> back you want to go to try to prove a point.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> ________________________________

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>> ] On

>>>>> Behalf Of melinda grant

>>>>> Sent: 24 January 2008 12:27

>>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> talking of which,saw a great prog on bbc4 last night all about

>>>>> the"new york

>>>>> punk scene"  feated new york dolls--who have been going since the

>>>>> early

>>>>> 70s-1972 they started up along with lou reed,iggy,mc5,alice

>>>>> cooper...these

>>>>> people are responsable for really starting the roots of punk----it

>>>>> was

>>>>> malcolm mcclaren,who after having seen the--new york dolls perform

>>>>> at cbgbc

>>>>> in 74--took the concept back to u.k and got the sex pistols

>>>>> together in 75

>>>>> ;0

>>>>>

>>>>> /1974/5..debby harry,patti smith,televiosion

>>>>> talking heads,deadboys,were also considered early punk scene as

>>>>> well in new

>>>>> york,they also hungout and performed regularly at cbgbs....

>>>>>

>>>>> so who started punk? sorry mick it was  the newyork scene

>>>>>

>>>>> who put a very rough and almost dangerious edge to punk---u.k sex

>>>>> pistols

>>>>> plus a small handfull of other bands at the time, some of which

>>>>> sprung out

>>>>> from a group of punks known as"the bromly contingent" the rest hung

>>>>> out with

>>>>> them and the pistols--they generally performed(when they could) at

>>>>> 100

>>>>> club/marquee/screen on the green/dingwalls/the nastvill--all hung

>>>>> out

>>>>> at"sex"(later known as--saditionarys!) mcmlarens/viv westwood

>>>>> alternative

>>>>> clothes shop,along worldend part of the kings road--london!!

>>>>>

>>>>> milinda ps lesson over;D))),now hand in your papers for me to

>>>>> mark ;P

>>>>> ________________________________

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> From: mik at corvids.eclipse.co.uk

>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:18:59 +0000

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Come on Alex, after all the arguments we have had over the years?

>>>>> Lol

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Mik

>>>>> ________________________________

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>> [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net

>>>>> ] On

>>>>> Behalf Of Alexander Smith

>>>>> Sent: 24 January 2008 01:01

>>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Alex in NYC's Favorite Vibrators songs in no particular order:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> 1) "Dragnet" (off the PUNK & DISORDERLY compilation)

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> 2) "Into the Future" (first track off PURE MANIA)

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> 3) "Troops of Tomorrow" -- for birthing his second-fave track by

>>>>> the

>>>>> Exploited (the first being "Daily News").

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Ah UK Punk....gotta love it.

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> On Jan 23, 2008, at 7:32 PM, folk devil wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Troops of tomorrow ;)

>>>>> ________________________________

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> From: hollytree1961 at hotmail.com

>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:00:47 +0000

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] ot vibrators!!

>>>>>

>>>>> thought that would get yours attention ;D))))

>>>>>

>>>>> the vibrators were an ok band,i exspecially like the track"the

>>>>> youth of

>>>>> tomorrow" it had the most amaizing build up--starting very quietly

>>>>> then

>>>>> building into a crescendo of throbbing bass/drums and drony

>>>>> voices-7um,really like it--dont have it any longer,perhaps some

>>>>> kind folk

>>>>> can upload it to the list,so everyone can hear this semi-marval of

>>>>> pinks

>>>>> bygone days ;D!!!

>>>>>

>>>>> milinda

>>>>> ________________________________

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:26:47 -0800

>>>>> From: joker at Z6.com

>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> The very same!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> www.iamscuzzy.com www.myspace.com/scuzzywear

>>>>>

>>>>> --- folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> From: folk devil <folkdevil_23 at hotmail.com>

>>>>> To: <gathering at misera.net>

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:04:16 -0800

>>>>>

>>>>> Is that the same Ellis that was in the vibrators?

>>>>> ________________________________

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:05:10 -0800

>>>>> From: joker at Z6.com

>>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] is: Stranglers was: You Tube!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> That article was spot on Greg!

>>>>>

>>>>> Summed it up completely, though I must admit to you that I really

>>>>> liked 10!

>>>>>

>>>>> The thing with Stanglers post Cornwell was that John Ellis just did

>>>>> not work

>>>>> as a guitarist and it was rather evident that JJ was going with the

>>>>> flow for

>>>>> a lot of it. Ellis' guitar was very bluse based and rather staid.

>>>>>

>>>>>

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