[kj] they did not have to be born in ny btw to b punks olly; D)))!

[B. Oliver Sheppard]

Well, I am kinda against the whole "scene pride" thing. My point in 
weighing in on this was I saw someone (Mik?) counting the Stooges, MC5, 
Dead Boys as among NYC punk rockers, when those are actually Midwestern 
bands. The Dead Boys relocated.

If I wanted to be a "Fuck You, I'm From Texas" kind of person, which I 
am not, I could go to elaborate, convoluted lengths to say real 
underground garage punk rock began in Texas with garagey bands like 13th 
Floor Elevators, Zakary Thaks, all these great 60s TX proto-punk bands. 
But those bands existed everywhere in '66, even if the book _Punk 365_ 
opens with a big picture of Roky Erockson and the 13th Floor Elevators_ 
in Austin in the late 1960s. But these bands are just that -- 
proto-punk. I am not on anyone's side here. We all know MacLaren managed 
the NY Dolls, went back to London and then wanted to start this or that 
band, and he had seen bands like Television, etc.

I don't know what city gets the blue ribbon for being the 1st, but it's 
either London or NYC, I guess. I don't care. But there is something 
quantifiably different about punk that separates it from garage rock or 
other predecessors.

-Oliver


melinda grant wrote:

> whos side r u on olly? your a texas boy right,so stay loyal to your 

> u.s.a brothers and sisters and that includeds new yorkers