[kj] ot new york hadfirst punks,sorry mik ;)

[B. Oliver Sheppard]

Did I say Stooges, MC5, etc were the 1st punk bands? I was pointing out 
they weren't from NYC originally, since someone included in a list of 
first punk bands the Stooges, MC5 etc. saying they were NYC rockers.

The rest of my statement agreed with you, basically -- that it's an 
endlessly contentious/pointless debate. But it's nice to put a starting 
date on it somewhere. I'm fine with 1975 and think it makes some sense, 
and you're right, the bands that I did mention -- MC5, Stooges -- but 
whom I did not say were punk -- only that they were from the Detroit 
area and not NYC originally -- were done by 1975. Of course, Iggy 
wasn't. And MC5 and Stooges members had formed Sonic's Rendezous Band by 
then, IIRC.

-Oliver


Alexander Smith wrote:

> "I know a lot of historians/writers/critics say 1975, which I think is 

> about right, everything else ebing even (which it isn't)"

>

> If that's right (as you say it is), that it renders your initial 

> statement about the Stooges and the MC5 moot, as they were all done by 

> `75.

>

> Whatever. Since joining the Gathering in 1999, I've had *FAR TOOOOO 

> MANY* debates about the origins of Punk. It's not that I don't care 

> anymore, it's that it's simply not worth it.

>

> No future.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Jan 24, 2008, at 4:26 PM, B. Oliver Sheppard wrote:

>

>> Iggy, Dead Boys, MC5 all originally from Midwest. MC5 = "Motor City 

>> 5." "Motor City" = Detroit, not NYC.

>>

>> But, yes, this is an endleslly contentious debate, and a lot of it 

>> depends on when you want to arbitrarily say punk began. I know a lot 

>> of historians/writers/critics say 1975, which I think is about right, 

>> everything else ebing even (which it isn't). There are people who 

>> will say Carl Perkins and Johnny Cash were "punk" in 1950s, and the 

>> Punk 365 opens with Roky Erickson and the 13th Floor Elevators 

>> (Austin, TX) and other '66 garage bands, etc., but this is all 

>> because the term "punk" has become so elastic as to be applied to 

>> almost anything.

>>

>> -Oliver

>>

>>

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