[kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

[Alexander Smith]

Is Simon Gallup (i.e. "the cool one") still in the band?

Alex in NYC


On Feb 29, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Termite wrote:


> One of my mates went to see them in Germany, told me his hair is  

> back to being bigger than ever, will check it out at Wembley next  

> month.  Porl Thompson is sporting a nice couple of A cups these days  

> too, meant to look quite fetching in a vest top lol.

>

> Yep, sadly the more make up he puts on as he gets older, sadly he  

> looks more and more like Elizabeth Taylor.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: ade

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:24 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

> Fat Bob - if you *do* see him, please tell him to GET HIS FUCKING  

> HAIR CUT !!! Elizabeth Taylor was it?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ]On Behalf Of Termite

> Sent: 29 February 2008 22:21

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

> Wonder how much Youth and Big Paul will be willing to pay me to keep  

> my gob shut from telling Robert Smith lol.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: ade

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:19 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

> It *is* a very good homage. Maybe they're hoping no one will notice ;)

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net 

> ]On Behalf Of Termite

> Sent: 29 February 2008 22:11

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth, The Cure samples.....

>

> Then I beg to differ, it is clear that Transmission have either  

> directly sampled the start of the FULL version of A Forest as off  

> Seventeen Seconds and added echo/reverb into the mix, or blatantly  

> used the same notes with a similar sound, as Nirvana did with Come  

> as You Are (Although they did try to disguise it by changing the  

> tempo, whereas Transmission haven't.)

>

> Regardless of them calling the track "Glade" doesn't make any  

> difference, If Robert Smith was aware of this song and the lack of  

> credits I think that The Cure would have a valid case to sue should  

> they wish too.  Use someone elses sound then you should  

> credit....look at the whole mess with Bittersweet Symphony and The  

> Verve/Rolling Stones for example.

>

> Anyone elses thoughts on it?  Its a fantastic homage regardless, but  

> not crediting it I think its risky grounds.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Alexander Smith

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:36 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth........................

>

> Don't punk out of your argument just because you're afraid of a  

> little dissent. This is a discussion forum, not a bully pulpit.  

> Everyone's allowed their say. But each should also be prepared for  

> others to beg to differ.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Feb 29, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Termite wrote:

>

>> And actually it is a Come As You Are/Eighties discrepancy, the  

>> keyboards at the beginning are identical to A Forest, same notes,  

>> same sound, same tempo even.

>>

>> Massive Attack acknowledged their sample of 10:15 Saturday Night on  

>> Mezzanine, no reason why Transmission couldn't have done the same  

>> same and credited Smith/Tolhurst/Gallup in the sleeve notes!

>>

>> Ok back to my cave I guess better than to voice opinion on this  

>> forum.....

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Alexander Smith

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:26 PM

>> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth........................

>>

>>

>> I'm just suggesting that calling it a "rip off" is a bit crass and  

>> alarmist. I doubt the Cure are particularly bothered about whether  

>> the track is credited to them or not.  I mean, the damn track is  

>> called "Glade" (i.e. an open space in a forrest). It's clearly a  

>> reference and/or homage to the Cure track.

>>

>> This isn't a "Come As You Are"/"Eighties" sort of discrepancy at all.

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>> On Feb 29, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Termite wrote:

>>

>>> I love Transmissions album, and I love The Cure too, if it was a  

>>> homage then why not state so?  They were not trying to convince  

>>> anyone that the track WASNT their own either?!?!, so maybe if you  

>>> don't like to chose the words "rip off" then its "unreported homage"

>>>

>>> Has either Big Paul or Youth ever throughout any interviews stated  

>>> they are Cure fans?

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> From: Alexander Smith

>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:36 PM

>>> Subject: Re: [kj] Youth........................

>>>

>>> I wouldn't call it a "rip off" so much as an obvious homage.  

>>> There's NO MISSING that it's based on "A Forrest." A rip-off would  

>>> imply that they were trying to convince people that the track was  

>>> their own.

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Feb 29, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Termite wrote:

>>>

>>>> Tried listening to anything by Transmission?  That is Youth and  

>>>> Big Paul, sounds like a more ambient version of The Cure  

>>>> especially songs like Star Stella and Glade (A very close Cure's  

>>>> A forest instrumental rip off)

>>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>> From: fluke fluke

>>>> To: gathering at misera.net

>>>> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:09 PM

>>>> Subject: [kj] Youth........................

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>   Anyone know what kind of music he has been making recently?

>>>> Is he still into Goan trance and techno and all that or has his  

>>>> tastes changed /

>>>> I was wondering what direction the new impending KJ album will  

>>>> take because the Yyouth influence on the Pandemonium Album is all  

>>>> to apparent

>>>>

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>>>> Charades!

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