[kj] Killing Joke and the U.S.

[B. Oliver Sheppard]

The US war against Iraq, which I have never supported -- and which led 
to heated arguments within my own family because I  was against it 
during the 2002-2003 propaganda ramp-up into war which I saw happening 
before my very eyes -- is illegal on a number of levels. For one, it 
violates a treate of the United States, namely the UN, which says any 
nation must get security council resolution before invading another 
country. The US said, fuck the treaty we have made, we're going it 
alone. This "fuck the UN' stance of Bush was hailed as a wonderful thing 
by red state yahoos who want to kick ass and take names and ask 
questions later -- if even then.

It was/is a war of aggression. A war of defense is one thing. It is one 
thing to "preventively" invade another nation, as Bush said he was 
doing. It wasn't that Iraq had done anything to the US, it was that it 
might, hypothetically, at some possible date in the future. By that 
logic, Iran can invade Mexico because, he, Mexico might threaten Iran at 
some point -- you never know. This is another way of saying "We will 
initiate a war of aggression," seen at the Nuremberg Trial and by the 
Nuremeberg Principles as the worst War Crime.

I live in Texas, and in 2003 I was not a popular person for being 
against the war then. My first and main opposition is the obvious one: 
War is wrong. It is even more wrong when it is against a pretty weak and 
pathetic country like Iraq, halfway across the planet, who pose zero 
threat to the US. Thirdly, I never believed the shit about WMDs and all 
this scare mongering shit that Condoleeza Rice began talking about at 
her most hysterical about mushroom clouds over US cities unless we 
invaded. Huge lies. No member of the Security Council has the right to 
unilaterally enforce UN decisions; those actions must be approved by the 
UN. In retrospect, most of the US population now wishes blue helmted UN 
forces had gone, rather than the pathetic "coalition of the willing" the 
US cobbled together, even though in late 2002/early 2003 the UN was spat 
on by swaggering US yokels as being some namby pamby liberal globalist 
organization that was probably controlled by Illuminati style Jewish 
bankers or something.

-Oliver


fluke fluke wrote:

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> But the war WASNT illegal.

> The first Gulf wars ceasefire agreement signed by Saddam stated that 

> for a ceasefire to happen Saddam must agree to let U.N. weapons 

> inspectors in to inspect anywhere they like in Iraq . If Saddam 

> refused them entry, then the ceasefire will be scrapped and the war 

> will continue....Saddam refused to let the weapons inspectors 

> in........and so the war continued .

>   The Gulf war was legitimate and that makes you Oliver guilty of 

> treason against your own country and treason in the U.K. carries the 

> death penalty.

>     You people who support Iraq are no better than the Nazi 

> sympathisers in American during WW2

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