[kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's all a load of ...

[ade]

No, not at all - to think there's a fix-all magic wand is unrealistic. EVERYTHING has its pro & cons, surely? So, I'm not saying something better couldn't be implemented, but that each thing brings its good & bad.

So no, not at all defeatist! I think we just have to work within the framework we have, though I also REGULARLY feel like gunning the fucking government down - death to the them all.

It's complicated ;)

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of Brendan
Sent: 21 February 2008 21:56
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's
all a load of ...


A different way of life would only bring different problems with it...

That's VERY defeatist thinking there...


> Seems to be the way it is in the societies we live in. A different way of

> life would only bring different problems with it. Like it or lump it I

> guess :(

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On

> Behalf Of Brendan Quinn

> Sent: 21 February 2008 05:17

> To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'

> Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class,working class ... it's

> all a load of ...

>

>

>

> Loads of Kiwis left and right are baying for tax cuts as we have a surplus

> for the first time in ages, at the same time they seem to not notice the

> paradox as they constantly complain about the state of the roads, power

> supply, health / mental health services, police force, etc...it's bizarre.

>

>

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> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On Behalf Of pssyche23

> Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2008 8:14 a.m.

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class,working class ... it's

> all a load of ...

>

>

>

> It's the toffs in "average middle class" working guy's clothing (a la

> David Cameron) I object to ... Old Etonians, born to rule ... then again,

> even under a Labour government that I craved for, the divide between rich

> and poor seems to have got ever wider ... despite the many positive

> aspects of a centre-left government, there still seems to be an illusion

> of democracy (what with dodgy dossiers and pandering to big business) ...

> no wonder many of the young-un's couldn't give a shit ... and even if they

> do, they are probably materialistic and self-centred, so likely to vote

> for someone dangling the same old carrots such as tax cuts ... what sort

> of career prospects do many have ... a fast-food serving career path or

> drugs and petty crime ... so, sorry, going off tangent a bit, middle class

> ? What am I ? Well, for all my centre left leanings, our family was

> probably lower middle class ... my parents never went down the pub and

> didn't go to bingo !!! Relatively poor compared with the working class

> family who lived next door, who seemed to possess all the mod cons ... I

> don't think class really is an issue for folks anymore, the lines are so

> blurred, most people are somewhere in the middle ...

>

>

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> ----- Original Message -----

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> From: jpwhkj at aol.com

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> To: gathering at misera.net

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> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:49 PM

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> Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...

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>

>

> Difficult to say - that quote applies here as well  Probably easier to say

> who isn't:

>

>

>

> chavs

>

> Ade

> errr...

> that's it

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: sade1 < saulomar1 at yahoo.com>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <

> gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:32

> Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...

>

>   So, what is middle-class, according to Europeans and U.K.eans?

>

> I live in the United States and here "everybone is 'middle-class'."**

>

>

>

> **anyone remember this quote from

>

>   the film "Gods And Monsters"?

>

> jpwhkj at aol.com wrote:

>

> Phew, that's a relief!

>

>

>

> Yes, I'm prejudiced - and I've yet to meet anyone who isn't (which I

> suspect is what you were getting at).  For me, the question is how we deal

> with our prejudices and how they affect our interation with the rest of

> the world.

>

>

>

> And can I just check whether you are middle class? <grin>

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> Sent: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:05

> Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...

>

> Nothing, I'm just prejudiced. Now tell you're not.

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