[kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's all a load of ...

[ade]

> "but you're not a punk" she cried ... 


Christ on a bike, these people make me sick. Did she have her obligatory uniform on?

-----Original Message-----
From: gathering-bounces at misera.net
[mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]On Behalf Of pssyche23
Sent: 20 February 2008 20:44
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class,working class ... it's
all a load of ...



The suicides in Wales are maybe more down the general hopelessness with no 
real jobs to be had in the former mining town and surrounds ... the more 
widespread issue of "feral youths" is probably due to lack of influence of 
positive (male) role models and respect for authority ... funny how many of 
us identified with that last bit as we went through our our teens but it 
didn't necessarily materialise into mindless violence against fellow 
citizens, did it ? ... it was more a hatred or distrust of organisations or 
rules but we did generally respect our elders, didn't we ?  Yeah, EMO, just 
don't get it myself ... never was a punk, never was a goth ... narrow jeans 
& t-shirts, bomber jacket & spikyish hair, but not cartoon punk ... I just 
liked a multitude of bands ... I remember getting slagged off by a girl on 
the top deck of a bus when aged 15 cos I'd just bought Feeding Of The 5,000 
by Crass ... "but you're not a punk" she cried ... I tried to reason with 
her but failed miserably ...


From: sade1
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class,working class ... it's all 
a load of ...



> dealing with Thatcher's and Reagan's children.


That was a nice post you wrote...

  Hm, "feral" is a strong term, but then, i don't live over there so I'll 
take your word on it.
Over here in the U.S. "da' youts" are, to put it mildly, pretty tame (except 
in the harsher minority neighborhoods and trailer [caravan?] parks).
  Seen the pitiful displays that pass for punk lately? They should spell it, 
"punc," with a C. It's cuter that way, and more fitting.
Emo is a strongly recurring attitude/theme/behavior. Sad.

[There is a vid on CNN called "South Wales On Suicide Watch".
Not sure if anyone's seen it (i couldn't; for some reason my firewall
didn't let that particular vid play)]

pssyche23 <antoni at clara.net> wrote:
They now refer to it as "feral youth" over here ... a product of a broken 
and sick society ... devoid of any compassion, values or understanding for 
anyone else - every week there appears to be another story of a family man 
who interrupts a gang of mindless idiots causing some minor trouble on the 
street, then struck down in front of their own children and left to die ... 
it's like an epidemic ... nothing like the petty youth cult squabbles of the 
past ... and then there's the bizarre case of Bridgend in Wales ... another 
teenage suicide ... some 17 in the past year ... quote in the paper today 
from a 16 year old "these people are just bored of their lives, man. Kids 
here have been drinking, smoking dope, taking ecstasy, having sex since they 
were 13 or 14, so by the time they reach my age, they've done everything and 
they are bored shitless".

What sort of monster has been created ?  There's a fucking world out there 
to explore and experience, the joys of seeing your own family growing up ... 
it's like a section of society has been left behind ... I bet they've all 
got their multi-channel TV, mobile phones & XBOX/DS/wii etc etc ... and why 
do kids aspire to all this irrelevant gangsta shite ... I think more 
grannies should go out wearing hoodies plus it keeps em warm in winter ... 
the hoodie craze would die down fairly quickly ... look, you don't live in 
the ghetto, you live in Milton Keynes & you hang around the shopping centre 
... it is not the same thing ... c'mon Jon please give us your verdict on 
this problem ...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: folk devil
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's all 
a load of ...


The States and Britain are now dealing with Thatcher's and Reagan's 
children. Sucks, don't it?

From: antoni at clara.net
To: gathering at misera.net
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:14:28 +0000
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry... middle class, working class ... it's all 
a load of ...


It's the toffs in "average middle class" working guy's clothing (a la David 
Cameron) I object to ... Old Etonians, born to rule ... then again, even 
under a Labour government that I craved for, the divide between rich and 
poor seems to have got ever wider ... despite the many positive aspects of a 
centre-left government, there still seems to be an illusion of democracy 
(what with dodgy dossiers and pandering to big business) ... no wonder many 
of the young-un's couldn't give a shit ... and even if they do, they are 
probably materialistic and self-centred, so likely to vote for someone 
dangling the same old carrots such as tax cuts ... what sort of career 
prospects do many have ... a fast-food serving career path or drugs and 
petty crime ... so, sorry, going off tangent a bit, middle class ? What am I 
? Well, for all my centre left leanings, our family was probably lower 
middle class ... my parents never went down the pub and didn't go to bingo 
!!! Relatively poor compared with the working class family who lived next 
door, who seemed to possess all the mod cons ... I don't think class really 
is an issue for folks anymore, the lines are so blurred, most people are 
somewhere in the middle ...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: jpwhkj at aol.com
To: gathering at misera.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...


Difficult to say - that quote applies here as well  Probably easier to say 
who isn't:

chavs
Ade
errr...
that's it


-----Original Message-----
From: sade1 <saulomar1 at yahoo.com>
To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!) <gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:32
Subject: Re: [kj] When Goths Cry...


  So, what is middle-class, according to Europeans and U.K.eans?
I live in the United States and here "everybone is 'middle-class'."**


... ... ... ... ... ...
As the masters rot on walls
And the angels eat their grapes
I watched picasso
visit the planet of the apes



_______________________________________________
Gathering mailing list
Gathering at misera.net
http://four.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/gathering