[kj] When Goths Cry...

[B. Oliver Sheppard]

bongo, as far as I am aware, you are right. UK Decay, IIRC, 
enthusiastically embrased the label "goth" or just "gothic punk" which 
also was ironically briefly called "positive punk." (Odd, when you 
consider that in the late 80s "posi-core" came to be synonymous with 
straight-edge hardcore like Youth of Today -- just ask our own resident 
NYHC vet Adam Helfer, who knows way more about that than me.)

I like goth-punk in the original sense. But especially it's American 
counterpart, the Los Angeles death rock scene (45 Grave, Super 
Heroines). The post-mid-1990s, Hot Topic, kinder-goth, lunch 
box-carrying, Marilyn Manson type crap is a no-go for me though. Fuck that.

-Oliver


bongo wrote:

> have to pipe up and ask...for the sake of curiousity... what of the

> likes of UK Decay...?

> to my feeble knowledge, these guys and perhaps others like them (?)

> were doing what i had heard to be called 'positive punk' ... which

> then kinda turned into the whole goth thing...

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> and to be fair, goth WAS admirable for a while! maybe not the abuse of

> make-up, but the simplistic style and creative difference i always

> thought was a good cousin to the whole punk thing.

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> turned to shit obviously

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