[kj] Killing Joke's career

[The Exorcist]

It's a nice fruit nevertheless!

At 03:12 PM 12/23/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

>Kiwi? Wish I could say I was a New Zealander, but no such luck!

>

>

>Ciao,

>

>k.w.

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>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist

>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about 

>all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:45 PM

>Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke's career

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>I'm keeping my hopes on a more realistic level as of now.

>I'm working on a great day. LOL

>

>Best Wishes K.W.

>(every time I see that I feel like saying kiwi)

>

>Have a good,

>a) hour

>b) day

>c) week

>(I always did good on multiple choice)

>

>

>At 09:36 PM 12/22/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

>>I know -- oh, the melodrama of it all! ; )

>>

>>Cheers; hope you're having a great week! : )

>>

>>k.w.

>>----- Original Message -----

>>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist

>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about 

>>all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:26 PM

>>Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke's career

>>That damned "first true love" one just can't ever seem to let go.

>>At 09:08 PM 12/22/2008, Karen Weil wrote:

>>>Nice one ... mine was "Nightime" (the now and forever favorite!) : )

>>>

>>>k.w.

>>>

>>>----- Original Message -----

>>>From: <mailto:killingjoke at theimmortalfool.com>The Exorcist

>>>To: <mailto:gathering at misera.net>A list about 

>>>all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:51 PM

>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke's career

>>>I was a latecomer to Extremeties and it took 

>>>me a while to get into it. After a few listens It's become a favorite of mine.

>>>Patchwork or not, it's got some great songs in 

>>>there with some darn strong sentiment. You don't always have to be "mystical"

>>>or hidden or (insert whatever term you want in 

>>>here) to be good. Sometimes brute force and simple spoken language do a

>>>damned fine job.

>>>On that note... being that Pandemonium was my 

>>>first KJ album, it will always be my #1 

>>>favorite (Pleasures of the flesh, communion,

>>>exorcism) are probably favorite songs on the album.

>>>Cheers

>>>At 10:49 AM 12/22/2008, GREG SLAWSON wrote:

>>>>I agree that in some ways Extremities sounds 

>>>>patched together, although it's still a 

>>>>strong, unique album. It's one of thoes ones 

>>>>you have to be in the mood for. "Money" got 

>>>>some airplay in the US, but made me not like the song b/c I heard it too much.

>>>>Pandemonium sounds a little dated, but I 

>>>>still think it's one of their best in terms 

>>>>of sound and songs...I usually hate metally 

>>>>stuff, but I love Georkie's chugging on that record!

>>>>

>>>>

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>>>>From: bq at soundgardener.co.nz

>>>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:17:42 +1100

>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke's career

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>I agree that Pandy was a big leap, but there 

>>>>are a few Extremities fanz on the list. I’m 

>>>>not really one of them, sounds a bit patched 

>>>>together to me, only hits first gear, except 

>>>>for a couple of tracks

Termite Mound and 

>>>>Beautiful Dead. I don’t really ‘get’ the 

>>>>title track. Just my 2c worth. Perhaps I need 

>>>>to crank the fucker and give it a few more 

>>>>whirls

(while I’m on Circuit 5 or above.) Ade you’re a big fan innit?

>>>>

>>>>But Pandemonium leaves me with my jaw hanging 

>>>>open, even still. It’s a mystical and musical 

>>>>tour de force, half the point of mysticality 

>>>>is that everything is not explicit or 

>>>>logical

having said that, it has some of my 

>>>>favourite lyrics, clever, but not too clever, 

>>>>good points driven home well. Labyrinth is a 

>>>>song on a totally different level, Communion 

>>>>as well, Exorcism

I’m repeating myself. I 

>>>>can’t speak highly enough of Pandemonium. 

>>>>Pleasures of the Flesh has the most 

>>>>otherworldly feel & momentum to it. Jana 

>>>>totally sucked me in to the story within the 

>>>>song, the music and Jaz’s singing is 

>>>>plaintive, earnest & heartfelt. Honest. Black 

>>>>Moon was / is an early / still favourite

I 

>>>>think a fair bit of the depth of the lyrics 

>>>>is only apparent if you look a level or two 

>>>>deeper, bearing in mind mystical symbology.

>>>>

>>>>Jaz was well cast as the devil that Roc de 

>>>>Thingy movie, except they didn’t give him the 

>>>>chance to let loose the hellish side of his 

>>>>voice, I don’t think a mainstream audience 

>>>>could handle it quite honestly. And that is 

>>>>SO like something he’d say

haha ;) but 

>>>>seriously, I have heard better singers in 

>>>>terms of tone, pitch control, range, but in 

>>>>terms of sheer visceral gut-wrenching 

>>>>impact

there’s only a couple who really 

>>>>compete. And on this album he really let it 

>>>>loose for the first time in a long time.

>>>>

>>>>PS: none of the raw potency of the early days.

>>>>Perhaps not album wide, but Exorcism? That 

>>>>song’d send Beelzebum back down to where he 

>>>>came from, it’s utterly unreal. Gimme the 

>>>>hardest most fucked up singer in your 

>>>>collection and I’ll play Exorcism for you and 

>>>>slay him in one go. And to some extent 2003 

>>>>took it to another level again with Implant, 

>>>>Asteroid, Total Invasion

in terms of blunt force impact.

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>>>>From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [ 

>>>>mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On Behalf Of jpwhkj at aol.com

>>>>Sent: Monday, 22 December 2008 08:00

>>>>To: gathering at misera.net

>>>>Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke's career

>>>>Hi Brendan,

>>>>When I was writing my original post, I did 

>>>>hesitate slightly due to the massive leap in 

>>>>quality represented by Pandemonium.  But 

>>>>although I rate it highly in its own right, I 

>>>>don't think it measures up to early Killing Joke for the following reasons:

>>>>* Lyrically it's nothing special - lots of 

>>>>Jaz being vaguely mystical, but none of the raw potency of the early days.

>>>>* Musically it stands up well, but Geordie is 

>>>>chugging rather than chiming, and I don't 

>>>>think it stands out from the crowd the way the early albums did.

>>>>* As far as I can recall, interviews with 

>>>>Killing Joke post-1989 were basically with 

>>>>Jaz, with anyone else barely getting a word 

>>>>in edgeways.  Intellectually, KJ had become Jaz's backing band.

>>>>* Without Big Paul, there wasn't anyone to keep Jaz' ego in check.

>>>>You're right that there are some excellent 

>>>>tracks that came after that as well (I'd 

>>>>choose Aeon, Our Last Goodbye, and 

>>>>Lightbringer as my personal faves) but I 

>>>>believe that the points I make above hold 

>>>>true for all albums after Brighter Than A Thousand Suns.

>>>>Jamie

>>>>

>>>>-----Original Message-----

>>>>From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>

>>>>To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke 

>>>>(the band!)' <gathering at misera.net>

>>>>Sent: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:44

>>>>Subject: [kj] Killing Joke's career

>>>>Yes I’m actually writing a post that I don’t 

>>>>have to preface with OT *bows*

>>>>Recent comments about Killing Joke being on a 

>>>>decline since their first 6 years. I’d have 

>>>>to disagree and cite, specifically, 1994’s 

>>>>Pandemonium. Quoting specific song titles on 

>>>>it is redundant to me, the entire album is 

>>>>totally, totally, solid. 2003 was also 

>>>>massive. And This Savage Freedom is one of 

>>>>the best songs eve r recorded. Zennon is 

>>>>brilliant as well, Universe B, 4 Stations.

>>>>KJ over the last 2 years has occupied 

>>>>probably more than 50% of my listening time 

>>>>(often averaging 4-5+ hours a day), for long 

>>>>stretches 100%, hugely disproportional. I 

>>>>don’t really hold out hope of finding another 

>>>>treasure trove back catalog like Killing 

>>>>Joke

and at this rate, I just can’t see music 

>>>>returning to the form of the past. Can only 

>>>>hope. Current state of play is pretty awful, unless I’m missing some boat.

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