[kj] Killing Joke's career

[Darren A. Peace]

EAVRE : I also don't connect with the title track, but to ignore Intravenous
is a grave error. In my top ten KJ songs, and Termite Mound makes the
twenty, as does MINOG. (And before you mail me about it, mad stalker - you
know who you are - I don't actually have a list of my top 20 KJ songs.)

 

Still, we're all different, as I don't like Jana or Black Moon much (they're
too dull).

 

Darren

Hungerford, UK

 

From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of Brendan Quinn
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 3:18 PM
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke's career

 

I agree that Pandy was a big leap, but there are a few Extremities fanz on
the list. I'm not really one of them, sounds a bit patched together to me,
only hits first gear, except for a couple of tracks.Termite Mound and
Beautiful Dead. I don't really 'get' the title track. Just my 2c worth.
Perhaps I need to crank the fucker and give it a few more whirls.(while I'm
on Circuit 5 or above.) Ade you're a big fan innit?

 

But Pandemonium leaves me with my jaw hanging open, even still. It's a
mystical and musical tour de force, half the point of mysticality is that
everything is not explicit or logical.having said that, it has some of my
favourite lyrics, clever, but not too clever, good points driven home well.
Labyrinth is a song on a totally different level, Communion as well,
Exorcism.I'm repeating myself. I can't speak highly enough of Pandemonium.
Pleasures of the Flesh has the most otherworldly feel & momentum to it. Jana
totally sucked me in to the story within the song, the music and Jaz's
singing is plaintive, earnest & heartfelt. Honest. Black Moon was / is an
early / still favourite.I think a fair bit of the depth of the lyrics is
only apparent if you look a level or two deeper, bearing in mind mystical
symbology. 

 

Jaz was well cast as the devil that Roc de Thingy movie, except they didn't
give him the chance to let loose the hellish side of his voice, I don't
think a mainstream audience could handle it quite honestly. And that is SO
like something he'd say.haha ;) but seriously, I have heard better singers
in terms of tone, pitch control, range, but in terms of sheer visceral
gut-wrenching impact.there's only a couple who really compete. And on this
album he really let it loose for the first time in a long time.

 

PS: none of the raw potency of the early days.

 

Perhaps not album wide, but Exorcism? That song'd send Beelzebum back down
to where he came from, it's utterly unreal. Gimme the hardest most fucked up
singer in your collection and I'll play Exorcism for you and slay him in one
go. And to some extent 2003 took it to another level again with Implant,
Asteroid, Total Invasion.in terms of blunt force impact.

 

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From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net] On
Behalf Of jpwhkj at aol.com
Sent: Monday, 22 December 2008 08:00
To: gathering at misera.net
Subject: Re: [kj] Killing Joke's career

 

Hi Brendan,

When I was writing my original post, I did hesitate slightly due to the
massive leap in quality represented by Pandemonium.  But although I rate it
highly in its own right, I don't think it measures up to early Killing Joke
for the following reasons:

* Lyrically it's nothing special - lots of Jaz being vaguely mystical, but
none of the raw potency of the early days.

* Musically it stands up well, but Geordie is chugging rather than chiming,
and I don't think it stands out from the crowd the way the early albums did.

* As far as I can recall, interviews with Killing Joke post-1989 were
basically with Jaz, with anyone else barely getting a word in edgeways.
Intellectually, KJ had become Jaz's backing band.

* Without Big Paul, there wasn't anyone to keep Jaz' ego in check.

You're right that there are some excellent tracks that came after that as
well (I'd choose Aeon, Our Last Goodbye, and Lightbringer as my personal
faves) but I believe that the points I make above hold true for all albums
after Brighter Than A Thousand Suns.

Jamie



-----Original Message-----
From: Brendan Quinn <bq at soundgardener.co.nz>
To: 'A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)'
<gathering at misera.net>
Sent: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:44
Subject: [kj] Killing Joke's career

Yes I'm actually writing a post that I don't have to preface with OT *bows*

Recent comments about Killing Joke being on a decline since their first 6
years. I'd have to disagree and cite, specifically, 1994's Pandemonium.
Quoting specific song titles on it is redundant to me, the entire album is
totally, totally, solid. 2003 was also massive. And This Savage Freedom is
one of the best songs eve r recorded. Zennon is brilliant as well, Universe
B, 4 Stations.

KJ over the last 2 years has occupied probably more than 50% of my listening
time (often averaging 4-5+ hours a day), for long stretches 100%, hugely
disproportional. I don't really hold out hope of finding another treasure
trove back catalog like Killing Joke.and at this rate, I just can't see
music returning to the form of the past. Can only hope. Current state of
play is pretty awful, unless I'm missing some boat. 

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