[kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

[Alexander Smith]

Surely.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 22, 2007, at 4:11 PM, powens wrote:


> Long enough to lift ideas and apply them to the Pistols?

>

> John-Paul

>

> On 22/09/2007, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net > wrote:

>

> My point is that ultimately, McLaren was associated with the `Dolls  

> only for a short while.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

> On Sep 22, 2007, at 4:02 PM, powens wrote:

>

>> And that would be relevant how?

>>

>> John-Paul

>>

>> On 22/09/2007, Alexander Smith < vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>

>> To be fair, McLaren "managed" the `Dolls in their death throes  

>> (`twas his idea to garb them in red patent leather and adorn them  

>> with communist imagery), well after their initial heyday.

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>> On Sep 22, 2007, at 3:46 PM, powens wrote:

>>

>>> I just cited the NY Dolls because they were so obviously  

>>> influential on both the US and UK punk scene. In "End of the  

>>> Century" Joey says the NY dolls were a prime influence and of  

>>> course the NY Dolls were managed by McClaren before he managed  

>>> the Pistols.

>>>

>>> If your going to cite the Stooges as punk you may as well go the  

>>> whole hog and go back as far as the MC5 and be done with it.

>>>

>>> John-Paul

>>>

>>> On 22/09/2007, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>> Agreed. The Stooges' three records still sound feral and loose  

>>> (pardon the pun) and exciting (wish I could say the same about  

>>> THE WEIRDNESS, but alas -- can't).

>>>

>>> By the time I first heard the New York Dolls, I'd already heard  

>>> the legions of crappy metal bands they'd inspired, thus they  

>>> didn't sound as seismic as I'd read. I suppose in the dull, grey  

>>> doldrums of the early 1970s, they probably sounded pretty  

>>> revolutionary, though.

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Sep 22, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Tim Bucknall wrote:

>>>

>>>> the Stooges stuff has def  stood the test of time better than  

>>>> the dolls stuff , which sounds very dated

>>>>

>>>> but the stooges stuff sounds totally contemporary

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On 21/09/2007, Alexander Smith < vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>>> Kiss were *HUGELY* influenced by the `Dolls, there's no denying  

>>>> it (Peter Criss was also friends with some of them). But I think  

>>>> the Punks cite the `Dolls more for their spectacle-laden  

>>>> aesthetic, their "in your face" attitude and their style of  

>>>> playing, which accented energy and aggression over musicianship  

>>>> and finesse.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> But yeah, no Stooges = no Punk Rock.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> For his part, Johnny Rotten cites Alice Cooper as a massive  

>>>> influence (and even wrote the `Coop's liner notes on his box set  

>>>> of a few years back).

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Alex in NYC

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On Sep 21, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Neil Perry wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Nah, not me (not that I'm an 'original' punk...)

>>>>>

>>>>> I always presumed the first 'punk' band, in terms of a musical

>>>>> style/nihilistic attitude, was The Stooges. Don't really count

>>>>> the NY Dolls, but then never really rated them - to me if they

>>>>> influenced anyone it was Kiss (which is another gulf between

>>>>> US/UK perceptions).

>>>>>

>>>>> Why did the Sex Pistols cover 'No Fun'? The Stooges were 'punk'  

>>>>> before the

>>>>> term/movement/whatever had been coined/invented.

>>>>>

>>>>> N

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Leigh Newton < angrytomhanks at yahoo.com > wrote:

>>>>> Are all the original brit-punks this easily offended?

>>>>>

>>>>> ----- Original Message ----

>>>>> From: iPat

>>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:23:11 AM

>>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> thats what gets peoples back up when it comes down to it, this  

>>>>> rather

>>>>> patronising attitude.

>>>>>

>>>>> >

>>>>> > Anyway, my money's on the Brits.

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