[kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

[Alexander Smith]

My point is that ultimately, McLaren was associated with the `Dolls  
only for a short while.

Alex in NYC


On Sep 22, 2007, at 4:02 PM, powens wrote:


> And that would be relevant how?

>

> John-Paul

>

> On 22/09/2007, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>

> To be fair, McLaren "managed" the `Dolls in their death throes  

> (`twas his idea to garb them in red patent leather and adorn them  

> with communist imagery), well after their initial heyday.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

> On Sep 22, 2007, at 3:46 PM, powens wrote:

>

>> I just cited the NY Dolls because they were so obviously  

>> influential on both the US and UK punk scene. In "End of the  

>> Century" Joey says the NY dolls were a prime influence and of  

>> course the NY Dolls were managed by McClaren before he managed the  

>> Pistols.

>>

>> If your going to cite the Stooges as punk you may as well go the  

>> whole hog and go back as far as the MC5 and be done with it.

>>

>> John-Paul

>>

>> On 22/09/2007, Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>> Agreed. The Stooges' three records still sound feral and loose  

>> (pardon the pun) and exciting (wish I could say the same about THE  

>> WEIRDNESS, but alas -- can't).

>>

>> By the time I first heard the New York Dolls, I'd already heard  

>> the legions of crappy metal bands they'd inspired, thus they  

>> didn't sound as seismic as I'd read. I suppose in the dull, grey  

>> doldrums of the early 1970s, they probably sounded pretty  

>> revolutionary, though.

>>

>> Alex in NYC

>>

>>

>>

>> On Sep 22, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Tim Bucknall wrote:

>>

>>> the Stooges stuff has def  stood the test of time better than the  

>>> dolls stuff , which sounds very dated

>>>

>>> but the stooges stuff sounds totally contemporary

>>>

>>>

>>> On 21/09/2007, Alexander Smith < vassifer at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>> Kiss were *HUGELY* influenced by the `Dolls, there's no denying  

>>> it (Peter Criss was also friends with some of them). But I think  

>>> the Punks cite the `Dolls more for their spectacle-laden  

>>> aesthetic, their "in your face" attitude and their style of  

>>> playing, which accented energy and aggression over musicianship  

>>> and finesse.

>>>

>>>

>>> But yeah, no Stooges = no Punk Rock.

>>>

>>>

>>> For his part, Johnny Rotten cites Alice Cooper as a massive  

>>> influence (and even wrote the `Coop's liner notes on his box set  

>>> of a few years back).

>>>

>>>

>>> Alex in NYC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Sep 21, 2007, at 12:06 PM, Neil Perry wrote:

>>>

>>>> Nah, not me (not that I'm an 'original' punk...)

>>>>

>>>> I always presumed the first 'punk' band, in terms of a musical

>>>> style/nihilistic attitude, was The Stooges. Don't really count

>>>> the NY Dolls, but then never really rated them - to me if they

>>>> influenced anyone it was Kiss (which is another gulf between

>>>> US/UK perceptions).

>>>>

>>>> Why did the Sex Pistols cover 'No Fun'? The Stooges were 'punk'  

>>>> before the

>>>> term/movement/whatever had been coined/invented.

>>>>

>>>> N

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Leigh Newton < angrytomhanks at yahoo.com > wrote:

>>>> Are all the original brit-punks this easily offended?

>>>>

>>>> ----- Original Message ----

>>>> From: iPat

>>>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>>>> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:23:11 AM

>>>> Subject: Re: [kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> thats what gets peoples back up when it comes down to it, this  

>>>> rather

>>>> patronising attitude.

>>>>

>>>> >

>>>> > Anyway, my money's on the Brits.

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