[kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

[powens]

No New York Dolls.
No Punk.

John-Paul

On 21/09/2007, Rob Horan <Rob at westwoodassociates.co.uk> wrote:

>

> Genesis started Prog Rock???!!!???!!! Your avin a Turkish........

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-bounces at misera.net]

> On Behalf Of Alexander Smith

> Sent: 21 September 2007 15:50

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] OT- Alex, Johnny speaks of the Ramones

>

>

>

> Who's being "arrogant and self indulgent" now?

>

> Look, we can go back and forth on this all day, and it won't change

> matters. It's all perception, but to take away the NYC influence on

> British Punk is just blind-sighted. Think what you want.

>

> Maybe it does happen, but I never hear of these sorts of arguments in

> regards to other genres. In other words, on Genesis discussion

> boards, do you get people squabbling about where Prog Rock started?

> Just curious.

>

> Gabba Gabba Hey.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

> On Sep 21, 2007, at 9:52 AM, iPat wrote:

>

> > The Buzzcocks were not ramones influenced(note the dates):

> >

> > Slaughter & The Dogs

> > Hailing from the notoriously tough Manchester suburb of Wythenshawe

> > (once the skinhead capital of the North) Slaughter & The Dogs

> > originally formed when Wayne Barrett (vocals) and Mick Rossi (guitar)

> > got togetther at school and decided to start a band picking up

> > drummer, Brian (Mad Muffett) Grantham on a bus along the way! Bassist

> > Howared 'Zip' Bates joined them in late 1975. Wayne thought up the

> > name for the band whilst lying in bed prior to their first gig.... a

> > mixture of Diamond Dogs by Bowie and Slaughter on 5th Avenue By Mick

> > Ronson.

> >

> > Buzzcocks

> > The band was formed in 1975 by guitarist/singer Pete Shelley (real

> > name Peter McNeish) and singer Howard Devoto (real name Howard

> > Trafford), both students at Bolton Institute of Technology (now the

> > University of Bolton). They shared common interests in electronic

> > music, the idiosyncratic work of British musician Brian Eno, and

> > American protopunk groups like The Stooges and The Velvet Underground.

> > In late 1975, Shelley and Devoto recruited a drummer and formed an

> > embryonic version of Buzzcocks that never performed and which

> > dissolved after a number of rehearsals.

> >

> > and:

> >

> > After reading an NME review of the Sex Pistols' first performance,

> > Shelley and Devoto travelled to London together to see the Sex Pistols

> > in February 1976. Shelley and Devoto were impressed by what they saw

> > and arranged for the Sex Pistols to come and perform at the Lesser

> > Free Trade Hall in Manchester, in June 1976. Buzzcocks intended to

> > play at this concert, but the other musicians dropped out, and Shelley

> > and Devoto were unable to recruit other musicians in time for the gig.

> > Once they had recruited bass guitarist Steve Diggle and drummer John

> > Maher, they made their debut opening for the Sex Pistols' second

> > Manchester concert in July 1976. A brief clip of Devoto-era Buzzcocks

> > performing The Troggs "I Can't Control Myself" appears in the Punk:

> > Attitude documentary directed by Don Letts. In September of 1976 the

> > band travelled to London to perform at the two-day 100 Club Punk

> > Festival, organized by Malcolm McLaren. Other performers included: the

> > Sex Pistols, Subway Sect, Siouxsie & the Banshees, The Clash, The

> > Vibrators, The Damned and the French band Stinky Toys.

> >

> > The Ramones: signed to a recording contract by Seymour Stein of Sire

> > Records in Autumn 1975. They soon recorded their debut album, Ramones

> > on an extremely low budget; about $6,400. The band was plagued by

> > hostile audience reactions outside of New York City; it wasn't until

> > they made a small tour of England that they began to see the fruits of

> > their labor: a performance at The Roundhouse in London on July 4, 1976

> >

> > so at least two accepted first wave bands were pre Ramones, totally

> > free from that scene

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