[kj] the essence

[Alexander Smith]

It has to be said:   I never really liked Tool.

Alex in NYC



On Sep 5, 2007, at 10:32 PM, Leigh Newton wrote:


> Killing Joke are, indeed, fucked and have been for awhile now  

> (except for the shining gem that is KJ2003). That's no excuse for  

> what Tool are doing.

>

> Leigh

>

> PS - I can tear a gaping hole in your indisputable truth in 5  

> words: Crazy-Little-Thing-Called-Love

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Darren A. Peace <dpeace at bigfoot.com>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)  

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 9:30:45 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence

>

>

> Heh! I love this list.

>

> "Radio Ga-Ga" is the worst Queen single ever. This is an  

> indisputable truth.

> And has one of the worst ever videos, although Queen were  

> especially gifted

> in the shite video category. I'd almost say it's the worst UK #2  

> single

> written by a drummer, but I'm not sure Phil Collins hasn't been  

> there too.

>

> (as an aside, "The Works" LP came out while I was working in the  

> Gloucester

> HMV shop, and we had it on rotation so we had to play it twice a  

> day for a

> fortnight. Other albums I still hate for this reason, along with  

> the obvious

> ones, include "Colour By Numbers", by Culture Club, "Shout At The  

> Devil", by

> Motley Crue, 1984 by Van Halen - in fact, I am convinced that my  

> treasured

> 12" promo of Eighties, "Halloween" by the Dead Kennedys and The  

> Birthday

> Party's "Bad Seed" EP saved my sanity on several occasions. Was a bit

> depressed when I rushed to the turntable when the "Me Or You" promo  

> first

> turned up, yelling to my co-workers that this is Killing Joke, and  

> it's

> bound to be fucking brilliant. There was, I think, an embarrassed  

> cough from

> the almost cleared shop when it finished. I wear my promotional Me  

> Or You

> t-shirt very rarely, as you would imagine. Grabbed three copies of the

> double 7", though, as there were some with mispressed "labels" -  

> some said

> "Me Or You" on both sides, some had "Feast Of Blaze" on both sides).

>

> There isn't a King Crimson album I don't love, although "Islands",  

> with the

> exception of the title track and "Song Of The Gulls", comes close  

> with its

> constant Sweep-being-tortured jazzy woodwind howling, but although  

> the three

> 80s albums mean a great deal to me, they are fatally flawed because  

> of the

> lengthy instrumental tracks - they worked brilliantly live, but are

> meaningless on record - sounds like pseuds fiddling with their  

> Fairlights

> and Linn Drums. "Thrak" is more consistent and experimental than  

> anything

> they released in the eighties, and as an added bonus nothing from  

> it was

> afforded a disco remix ("Sleepless", magnificent though it is,  

> didn't need a

> Kevorkian Mix).

>

> And isn't it Killing Joke who are completely up their own asses and  

> have

> resided there for years? But we still love them. Can't summon up the

> enthusiasm to defend Tool, whom I like but not ferociously.

>

> Darren

> Hungerford, UK

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering- 

> bounces at misera.net] On

> Behalf Of Leigh Newton

> Sent: 06 September 2007 01:14

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence

>

> I'll stick up for Queen anyday. I'm not too familiar with the album  

> Jazz but

> I know that Mustapha and Don't Stop Me Now are both on there so it  

> surely

> can't be ALL bad. Also gotta give it up for the rockers like Now  

> I'm Here

> and Keep Yourself Alive as well as the more poppy, schlocky fair  

> like I Want

> To Break Free and Radio Ga Ga.

>

> King Crimson really came out with some amazing stuff in the 80s.  

> The 70s

> stuff is ok, here and there. Same with the 90s and beyond. But the 3

> Belew-era albums from the 80s are really awesome.

>

> Tool are completely up their own asses and have resided there for  

> years.

> Opiate and Undertow are both great. It's all downhill from there.  

> Lateralus,

> in particular, is such a shitty album. 10 000 Days has some decent  

> moments.

>

> Leigh

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Alexander Smith <vassifer at earthlink.net>

> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)  

> <gathering at misera.net>

> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2007 5:49:44 PM

> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence

>

>

> Well, I'm not going to get all red in the face attempting to defend

> Queen here. Much like their US counterparts in Kiss, I heard them

> before I ever layed ears on anything even remotely punk. Queen were

> DELIBERATE in their pomp-rock ridiculousness, but at least they

> didn't take themselves so dreadfully seriously (i.e. those gents in

> E.L.P, Yes, etc.) And, they made some absolutely fantastic music

> along the way. Sure, "Bicycle Race" is vaudevillian nonsense, but

> listen to "Sheer Heart Attack," "The Prophet's Song," "Fight From The

> Inside," "Stone Cold Crazy" -- they wrote some great stuff.

>

> No matter what, they're far better than Bob fucking Dylan.

>

> Alex in NYC

>

>

>

> On Sep 5, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Darren A. Peace wrote:

>

>> Good to see you timed that to cut off before the Flash soundtrack,

>> but ...

>> Jazz? Honestly?

>>

>> Queen, to me, epitomise the sort of pomp-rock nonsense I hate. I

>> acknowledge

>> there's a lot of personal animus, but everything from Brian May's

>> Restoration wig and stadium stance, through Mr Bulsara's pre-Borat

>> leotards,

>> including Roger Taylor's mad ferret impersonation throughout the

>> Bohemian

>> Rhapsody video and Deacon's OMD Brussel sprout hair repels me.

>>

>> When I was at school, there was a room you could book that  

>> contained a

>> shitty little record player. You got twenty minutes, booked a week in

>> advance, to play your 45s (wouldn't play at 33 1/3 at all, which

>> meant that

>> some of my eps were not viable) to your friends. I always seemed to

>> end up

>> waiting outside while some greasy fucker played Bicycle Race on

>> repeat. I

>> remember finally kicking the door in, tearing the record off the

>> deck and

>> smashing it to pieces against the wall. Gave him the cash to buy

>> another

>> single (think he followed my recommendation and bought "No More

>> Heroes"),

>> but it was enormously satisfying.

>>

>> Darren

>> Hungerford, UK

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: gathering-bounces at misera.net [mailto:gathering-

>> bounces at misera.net] On

>> Behalf Of Alexander Smith

>> Sent: 05 September 2007 12:19

>> To: A list about all things Killing Joke (the band!)

>> Subject: Re: [kj] the essence

>>

>> Everything Queen did up through THE GAME was brilliant.

>>

>>

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